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BigJay81

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TAKEN FROM GOOD FREIND AND GOOD BOARD
THANKS 2EZ2BRICH FOR THE INFO
I know first hand now how the feds work. I was on the phone with N***** / B***** minutes before he was taken down by the D*A. The way to understand the process is like looking at a prizefighter, one win does not make a career, but 100 will. All investigative branches of law enforcement work the same way. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. The D*A is looking to post numbers; agents get promotions on numbers of arrest not convictions. All of us that actively post here are on an org chart / family tree. The objective is to take as many links out of the supply chain as possible. Many will say end users are of no concern. WRONG! If your order is around $500 and up you are worth taking down. If your supplier has your shipping info on their PC or you have an order on the way at the time of the bust. Bingo you are going to get some type of visit, even if it is invisible to you. Remember Prosecutors work for convictions agents work for arrest.
The supplier usually gets taken in 1 of 3 ways: International package gets picked up and a controlled delivery follows which is a joint effort of federal and local law enforcement. OR 2 a large express mail or private mail service (FED-EX, etc.) comes from a HOT ZONE and is X-rayed and followed by federal agents. 3 their source was busted and packages were followed, could be a combination of agencies. Next the target is placed under tight surveillance for a minimum of 48 hours continuously. Photos are taken of every move and stop. What you eat, when you sleep, what mail places you visit, anything that you have in your hands, all they have it... picking up $ at WU or getting your mail. Now they have the needed circumstantial evidence to obtain a warrant.
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Now that your in custody, you are shown the trail of evidence that they have on you. They show you the org chart (from part 1) and tell you they got it all figured out. All you need to do is help them tie up a few details that they don't have YET. You are allowed to go home uncharged and think about it: Roll on people that supply me and people that I supply and I don't go to jail OR keep my mouth shut and take my chances.... Hum They do know everything any way. AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS HOW ONE BUDDY GIVES UP ANOTHER. REMEMBER its the arrests that count, take down the supply chain, Its not the conviction. Your PC will also be taken if there is enough evidence on it. Otherwise they will copy the files they want and let you keep your PC. THIS INCLUDES PASSWORDS to email and boards.
If your supplier or buddy goes down and gives you up intentionally or not, how much trouble are you in? NONE if you don't have possession of illegal compounds. etc.. It is not against the law to know about the sale and possession of controlled substances, it is not against the law to be friends with people who violate the law. The law does not have a "birds of a feather provision" other than for convicted felons. DENY DENY DENY and get a lawyer to talk for you. If you get a visit and the agents, local or federal, tell you they know what you are up to and you need to tell them everything (and this does happen). DON"T SAY A THING! GET A LAWYER OR AT LEAST TELL THEM THAT YOU WANT AN ATTORNEY PRESENT. Look at those people in Colorado, the Ramsey's, whose daughter was murdered and the police wanted to talk to them. Their lawyers were able to delay that meeting for 4 months. If you were not under surveillance and there is not an evidence trail then all they can do is hope you talk. If the only information on you is an email or order confirmation slip you most likely will not be contacted. If you live in al lower crime area then you may get a visit from a local narcotics division officer to see what he can find out. He will try to get you to admit to it by saying hey its no big deal we just wanted to know a few dtails. DENY DENY DENY get a lawyer. If you talk to anyone about any details then you could be charged on your own admissions. If there is solid evidence against you the agents have to get you in the act / possession to arrest you.
Is your package hot?
Well there are a couple of surefire signs that there may be a problem. First on the use of a PMB, once the mailman drops the mail there it is considered delivered. The post office will not pick it up unless you or the owner of the PMB requests them to. The PMB must hold mail for you even if your box expired for a period of 6 months. There should be no urgency to get a package. So if you are called and told you must get the package that day; its hot. Second: Controlled deliveries occur when you use a home address. It is rare for the arrest to occur at the PMB. You are usually followed from the PMB and then arrested. The first sign of trouble is they want to get a signature for the package and will not leave it at the door even with the signature release. Even if you don’t open the box, they will still execute the warrant. If they find anything in your home, you get to choose, go to jail or work for them. If nothing is found you will beat the charges in court should they decide to pursue anyway. Remember if you are home the postman will ask for signature out of habit, this does not mean that it is hot. Also controlled deliveries are done with a few men so there will be a van parked across the street two houses up or so.
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posted February 03, 2001 01:53 AM
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AS SOON AS I HIT #5000 I'M A GHOST!!!

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posted February 03, 2001 02:36 AM
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Remember this people---If you are ever brought in for anything---keep your mouth shut---These people have no control on how much trouble you are in, Period. If they tell you that they know everything and that you my as well tell them--dah, why do they need you to tell they when they supposedly already know everything. Even if you are totally broke and dont have a lawyer--keep your mouth shut and you will always be better off---These guys are already going to make up shit that you said,even when you dont say anything---thats just the way they work, so work like them and be smarter then them- most of these guys are fucking dummies that barly have a college education.

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posted February 03, 2001 11:40 AM
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I'm going to bump this. A shame to see it disappear so quickly.
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posted February 03, 2001 11:54 AM
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excellent post big jay!!!
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posted February 03, 2001 11:55 AM
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Excellent post BigJay. Thanks for the info. You never know when your # will come up. Always pays to be as cautious as you possibly can.

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posted February 03, 2001 11:57 AM
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bump!

panerai

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posted February 03, 2001 12:02 PM
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Bump for no jail!

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posted February 03, 2001 12:20 PM
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Good info jay!
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posted February 03, 2001 12:31 PM
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So good that its scary to even read, but reality bites. Good post Jay.
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3ccEOD

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posted February 03, 2001 12:35 PM
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I have a close friend that got out of a bust by putting the package by the door after he took it out of the MB. When they came with warrant he said the package wasn't his and was going to bring it back to the PO. The key to doing this is to leave the package by the door for one week ( very difficult for the incredibly anxious). And above all else keep your house as clean as possible. You should also install WindowWasher on your PC and erase your PC everyday. Just my $.02

Gettin' Bigger

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posted February 03, 2001 12:45 PM
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Good post BigJay. BUMP to the top.

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posted February 03, 2001 12:47 PM
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Yea, girls check out my package all the time, so I guess its hot. Sorry, couldnt help it heheh.
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Jay Z

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posted February 03, 2001 01:03 PM
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good post... i know people that got busted for a small package too.

animal B

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posted February 03, 2001 01:24 PM
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so How do you know all this?????????????

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posted February 03, 2001 01:43 PM
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BIG JAY81 is a Fed, we work together on some cases. hehehehe!
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Ooops. Did I say we? I mean he has tried to bust me once. hehehe!

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posted February 03, 2001 02:07 PM
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good post bigjay
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bsjohnson

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posted February 03, 2001 02:26 PM
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Nice post BigJay. Bump

Just_Grow

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posted February 03, 2001 02:31 PM
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a good eye opener post.thanks good post.

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posted February 03, 2001 02:42 PM
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Awesome post bro!
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Fonz

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posted February 03, 2001 03:26 PM
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Good info. Special mention goes to
letting your package sit inside your
house unopened for at least one
week, if your order is $500 or
greater. Feds are notoriously
impatient with small orders. Like
somebody said, it's the amount of
arrests that count, therefore they
don't have time to sit around.
It also doesn't hurt to have
diplomatic immunity, Hehehe.

Godspeed

BigJay81

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quote:
Originally posted by Checkmatebloated:
BIG JAY81 is a Fed, we work together on some cases. hehehehe!
[This message has been edited by Checkmatebloated (edited February 03, 2001).]
You never know do ya.
I have talked to about 3 Good people whom have gone down. The Game is looking worse and worse. To many risks for the outcome.


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posted February 03, 2001 04:16 PM
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All true.

IronBoy

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posted February 03, 2001 05:20 PM
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BUMP !!!

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Bump again.

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posted February 03, 2001 05:46 PM
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good post!!!!
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good post bro.

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posted February 03, 2001 06:31 PM
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Good reading for all. Bump
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posted February 03, 2001 06:47 PM
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I here ya up there Bigjay. I'll bump this so you know that after all the folks I know in law enforcement two things get people arrested AND convicted--greed and stupidity! Not saying anything about anyone here. that is what I learned from family and friends in law enforcement.
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posted February 03, 2001 07:01 PM
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Excellent Post.
Printing it out as we speek.
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posted February 03, 2001 09:28 PM
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Great post, interesting.
Bump

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posted February 03, 2001 11:49 PM
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bump for jay

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bump

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Thank you Jay. That was extrememly informative.

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gotta bump this one as it is too good to let slide......

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hard times

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Good post

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quote:
Originally posted by BigJay81:
AS SOON AS I HIT #5000 I'M A GHOST!!!
Why are you leaving Jay? To hot at the moment?

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Blasted back to the top!
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Bump! I'm glad others realize that were being watched and posting details where there gear is in there home or car or gymbag is DUMB.

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Bump! I'm glad others realize that were being watched and posting details where there gear is in there home or car or gymbag is DUMB.We need to be carfull or this posting could come back to bite us.

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Well to tell the truth I'm happy with my body where its at. I don't think I really need AAS anymore. I started the use for Sports and To break a Platue that I had reached and stood at for 2 years. I have now broken through and I am gainning naturally now.. So who knows I will be around and still learning but will Retire "BIGJAY" and pick up another that doesn't get looked at like the guy who has 5000 posts lets bust him and make an example.
LIFE IS TO SWEET TO BE LEFT IN A 6'BY 9' CUBE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
So right now in my life I have more to look forward to in my life than just trying to stay out of jail for a victimless crime.
JAy

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uuummmm,you take that from a movie right,ahahah.
Good post to read.
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bump!
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i guess i'm a little slow. hehehe didn't get a chance to post it here. you beat me bro ! hehehe

2ez2brich

i need to give props wear due. the original post was made by a knowledgeable muscle head at TAZ. hehehe interesting reading for everyone...hehe
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From:LIFT UNTIL YOU DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted February 05, 2001 02:19 AM
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You know me I visit about 30 some boards.
Good to see you here.

stretch

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From:Da Dirty South
Registered: Jan 2001

posted February 05, 2001 02:46 AM
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Very good info. I think everyone should read this.

peckerwood

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From:my mother
Registered: Jan 2001

posted February 05, 2001 08:52 AM
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great post bro , everytime i get a package i put RETURN TO SENDER on it and leave it on the kitchen table for about 3 days , just in case they come by i can grab it and show it to them or when they kick down the damn door they can see that i don't want anything to do with it !

All times are ET (US)


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