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I want to see and rebut ------------------     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I edited the nasty part because it was a bit out of line I admit. Slopain saw the original post. He wasn't happy about it at all. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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THE POST IS "CONANS CYCLE UPDATE" BY GETTIN BIGGER. HE EDITED THE POST THOUGH. M18 | ||
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Moderator
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Well damn it i am a big boy lets have it! It is nice for slopain to have my back, but i am always up for a nice debate, so by all means FLAME away..I love it! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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LOL@CONAN  M18 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Ok, my flame basically said that your newest cycle was completely insane and that you were going to end up in a casket. Let the flames begin: LOL Godspeed | ||
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Guru
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Actually it was "his next update will be from the morgue" I know b/c it had such an impression on me. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Ok explain to me why it is insane, i am doing high doses but! i am giving plenty of itme between the Dbol and inj A50 also test in high doses is not toxic nor is EQ the only thing to watch is my cholesterol and BP which i am ! it is only insane for some one that is less then 250 cause you must know that medication is given with reguard to bodyweight!!! ------------------ | ||
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I haven't said anything about the cycle because everyone should choose to do what they want. I just hope that people know that your cycle is not for everyone and that it could be harmful to most people under 200lb (unless they are 5' tall. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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"test in high doses is not toxic" WTF! Conan, Conan, Conan that is totally untrue, and furthermore you know it. Godspeed Damn I love GHB, I can think geometrically while on it. [This message has been edited by Fonz (edited February 02, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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hear the story about the young kid who killed his 6 year old sister by copying a move he saw on wrestling. Conan maybe put on the bottom of your cycle " this cycle is for the sole intent and purpose of improving my body. No copies, edits, or trying this cycle wothout the written consent of Conan69". This way if someone who is not 250 try's it they can't sue ya. (lol). your cycle is insane but its just that YOUR cycle. Keep up posted. See ya on stage???? | ||
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ok the not toxic thing was a stretch but FUCK I HAVE TO GO TO WORK we will continue this later AND I DID SAY THIS WAS MY CYCLE AND I RECOMMEND IT FOR NO ONE!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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FONZ 1 CONAN 0 lol. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I think Conan's cycle is very reasonable.Tons of bodybuilders all over the world do cycles like this and even heavier,and how many died? That's a matter of personal choices,of course.What's for Conan,might be not for Fonz.BTW,are you same Fonz who wanted to implant himself with Fina pellet? Because,if it's you,then who should be talking about morgue,hehe...  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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That's a post I copied from Varix board,were someone talks about side effects from 9 years of REALLY heavy cycling,and it's all based on his own experience.You will see,that he've done a lot more then Conan,and the sides that bother him now,are due to heavy use of Anadrol mostly and to some degree,Dianabol.Not Test! But,judge for yourself: -------------------------------------------- "There are three areas to worry about damaging while on the juice- Heart and circulatory-high BP, damage to heart muscle and tickened blood. Liver-toxin breakdown Endocorine-test thyroid and insulin secretion When I encountered my problems with the blood thickening, I had a lot of tests done everywhere that revealed some interesting things. Liver is enlarged, no tumors on the outside but remember that blood filled cysts can be on the inside due to damage and go unnoticed. Heart is enlarged although it is an athletic enlargement it is still bigger than average. Lower spine was compressed, the lower vertabrae-all them years of heavy squats finally show up! Sexual effects are still there-no one that does heavy cycles of juice will be normal. Prostrate is somewhat tender and a little enlarged as well as I have some thickened tissue in the scrotal and testical area. Load size is decreased from my younger years as of course is the drive. Sometimes one load is good enuff, sometimes four is. Potency is decreased but will continue to monitor, test and other levels as I approach the 8th month clean mark-yikes. Fluctuating test levels may lead to hypogonadal treatment in the future. And the normal problems rotator cuff, knees,wrists,stretch marks that would horrify you all over-upper back outer chest thighs, etc. My battle scars are with me. I have lost 50lbs or more on all major lifts, but continue to enjoy my training. I notice a drop in endurance because of the excessive weight I carry 270+. I recently went to the mall with my girl for a shopping day and after 2 hours I felt like dropping. But it was better than being 290+ and BP so high I was dizzy. Being or getting huge does not come with out risks and side effects. I used to have a lot more problems with my blood sugar while "on", but it seems to have eased up now. My appetite is up and down and I do seem to gain fat much more easily of course-I miss the thyroid stimulation that AAS give you. Do not get me wrong-I wanna juice again-I am worried about the thickened blood, and will maybe try short 4-6 week cycles to see if it has an effect. The doc told me he did not care if I juiced just come in and be monitored evey two weeks which I thought was cool. I would not trade one pill or shot or change anything that I have done with the stuff no matter what the long term effects are. I have enjoyed a massive body attention massive lifts and the euphoria that comes with it. But after almost ten years you gotta do a reality check and back off a little. Just remember we could all be drinking 50 beers a weekend, smoking pot and cigs like crazy and other hard shit for years-I will take my AAS sides anyday for positive muscle growth. I was talkig post cycle blues 'bout the sex drive. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Damn, I thought I had seen bad sides. But this guy....... Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice 
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hmmmm, lets see, who has died you ask????? what about MOHAMMED BENAZIZZA, ANDREAS MUNZER, LYLE ALZADO, now i'm not flaming anyone, i'm just answering a question, of course these guys were pushing the envelope, but some of you are saying CONAN is doing that too, he will bare the consequences of his actions, i say to each his own!!!!! | ||
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Lyle Alzado died of aids, he was an idiot for taking what he did if he had (which I doubt) a tumor or whatever in his head. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Blackdream,please,do your homework before posting.At least two of those guys you mentioned died not because of steroids,but other substenses,diuretics and Cytadren to be specific.So,it leaves one dead,how about that statistic? | ||
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Cool Novice
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well, 2500mg of test plus the other shit, it aint that much if the guy is experienced. i wouldnt do it, not because i dont know how to do it, but because i know perfectly well what works for me. you continue your life conan69, and keep us posted, i'm very interested on the outcome of your cycle. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Thank you,Slopain! I didn't know about that guy,but now it reduces bodycount to zero! Blackdream,are you applying that Conan is gonna be first? ...hahaha...just kidding! | ||
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Cool Novice
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i totally agree with you that they were doing other things with the AS, but who is to say what killed them????, in my opinion it was a combination of all that s**t!!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Wasn't he the guy who got an extremely rare form of brain cancer? Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
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are you talking about ALZADO??? if so, YES, at least thats what they say?????? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Hey,what the hell,blame it all on steroids,hahaaaa....!!LOL!!! | ||
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Freak 
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Excuse me can I get in here a second. At what doseage does test become toxic? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Fonz, The toxicity to worry about is from the orals. Testosterone is very easily metabolized and tolerated by the liver. It is "slightly toxic" but most people can handle 2 grams of test for short to moderate periods of time without great side effects. As I said the orals, along with the test will be the culprit. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Ulter, I hope that wasn't a question. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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FONZ 1 CONAN 2 LOL!!! | ||
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Freak
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Yeah it is a question, but only because I want to know your answer. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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quote: What the hell? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Ok fine, let's rattle the sabres. Testosterone becomes toxic at around 1000mg/week if taken for extended periods of time.(8-10 years of continuous heavy cycling). At 2000mg/week, hepatoxicity would set in 2-3 years. FONZ 2 CONAN 2 lol. Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
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FRACKEL, what's the problem???? don't agree, don't understand???? i don't get it!!!!! | ||
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Freak
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Didn't mean to rattle your cage or ah sabre as it were, I was guessing that you were guessing. I was right. But thanks for your answer. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Ok, if I'm so wrong, then why don't you enlighten the masses Ulter? Gee, is that silence I'm hearing from you? You must sow what you reap Ulter. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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this is interesting. I remember Fonz' post earlier and knew there would be some discussion later. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Al'right,Fonz,if you think that Conan's doses are high,check the cycle offered in this article on Anabolic Extreme: http://www.anabolicextreme.com/anabolic/archives/anex_archive_issue2_stercycling1.htm | ||
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Freak
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Sorry fonz I didn't expect a response, so I didn't check the board. Are you quoting the Bible here? That's different. There is no answer Fonz. There are too many variables not the least of which are genetics, size and age. To say there is an answer would be foolish. That's not to say you're a fool. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Testosterone is not significantly hepatoxic even at dosages above 2g. It hepatoxicity derives from increased metabolism as well as the metabolites released because of the heavy lifting that one would probably be doing when taking 2g of test a week. Your dead bodybuilders theory has got about as much weight as one can add on a deca only cycle(ok to be fair 5mg a week deca cycle)- dont want to hurt 2thick's feelings. On a side note, because of the severe side effects of deca (for some-albeit a minor portion of the population) I think it sucks, unless you are asexual. It is rather anabolic and if one(side effect prone) were unable to "get any" I guess I see no problem with it. But I digress ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Wow, I'm actually siding with Ulter (see, even bad things can be overlooked). Anyways, Fonz, you come here, and preach to myself and Conan about how we are full of shit, yada yada, and I have YET to see ONE SHRED of clinical information that we can verify. We are not the one's talking out of our ass,es you are. You seem overactive, and more over, uncaring about those whom you converse with. Personally I think your one of Shez little groupies, which would explain why you came after me, and as well Conan. Sad little child... Fonz, can you give me the Economics Medical Refernce Listing Number for the study that says that when I take the 4 grams of Viagra to fuck the hell out of your girlfriend for the next 2 years that I will die? Basicly...shut up. I'm sick of hearing you run your mouth, but provide nothing tangable for us to read from an outside, approved, and certified source. At least when I dispute people, I give studies with listing numbers. You have are something worse than I ever was, hopefully, one day, you will grow up. --==MeanOne==-- | ||
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LOL...Damn Fonz,now you got all the heavy hitters riled up... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Fonz 1 Conan 8 LMAO!!!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Yeah I would say Conan has him pretty well shut down here. If you want to see another funny series of posts from Fonz, go to "Anadrol." I guess I'm suppost to be dead because I used a level of anadrol which is typical for some pro's, and many NPC men. Mind you, he has provided nothing but hot air to back up his claims...where did this guy come from, I thought I was bad! | ||
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Freak
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1. Writing his next update from the morgue? 2. 2500mgs of test is very toxic? Yes it has sides but he not only stated that he is taking care and minimising them, but he also always put a disclaimer in his cycle posts stating this was not for the beginner or intermediate. 3. As Meanone said you are good to flame, call people ignorant (myself and Gymrats included), go against resulted methods and claim those that dont work. Oh and I forgot about the continued use of foul language in your posts. 4 ...............blah blah blah ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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For your information MeanOne, Irongame etc... I am in my last year of my masters. I'm doing Aerospace Engineering with Biochemistry at Glasgow University. I would love to see your credentials(thats if you have any). I never said I knew everything, I just let go a derrogatory remark concerning Conan's cycle. I did edit the post when Slopain asked me too though, out of respect to Conan. I really don't want anything bad to happen to him, because evn though I don't really know him he seems like an up-front kind of person. BTW, how much do you weigh MeanOne? Unless you are a 300lb beheamoth, 500mg/day of Anadrol will definately do some serious damage.(And you said you took it for 5.5 weeks. LOL). I am wagering that if we were to take a poll , an astounding majority of the BB's here would agree with me that you are lying. And as far as Shezallthat or whatever her name is, I really don't particularly care. It is very easy to trace someone's IP address back to the source. Which is exactly what I did. Once I had the IP, it was relatively easy finding her whereabouts. But I'm guessing you aren't able to do this. Shame. | ||
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Freak
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Read # 3 again, in fact read all of them again. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I'm not too sure I understand Macro's post. I understand that lifting heavy will increase the levels of enzymes normally tested to indicate liver damage (SGOT, SGPT, etc.). Is he saying that lifting heavy increases actual hepatotoxicity? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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That piece is taken from site http://www.medibolics.com/chemist2.htm --------------------------------------------The Chemistry: Steroids and the Liver by Patrick Arnold, B. Sc. from Issue No. 1 Oral steroids are considered to be somewhat "toxic" to the liver largely because most of them have an alkyl (methyl or ethyl) group built into the steroid molecule at the 17-alpha position. This changes the 17-beta OH (hydroxyl) from a secondary to an unoxidizable tertiary one, which thwarts the natural hepatic oxidation of the 17-OH group (which, with natural steroids will produce an inert, excreteable 17-keto steroid). This is the major process of metabolic inactivation for androgens. When it's blocked, the liver relies on less efficient, more demanding means of inactivation. Common injectable steroids are formulated to gradually release into the system, where they are hydrolyzed to become a naturally metabolizable secondary 17-beta hydroxyl steroid. That's why common injectable steroids aren't "toxic" to the liver. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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To The_Iron_Game: 1. I see a typical brit mentality speaking. Always quick to judge, and ridiculously conservative in his way of thinking. I am not quick to flame. I have maybe flamed 7-8 people in 250+posts. Mostly, I like informed scientific discussions. Lets face it, steroid users don't abound the earth, we are a very secretive and tight-knit community, which is how it should considering the laws concerning steroids. I am not shy by any means and I like expressing my opinions. If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. And I edited my post concerning Conan because it was wrong, plain and simple. Furthermore, check the archives, most f my posts (80+%), are full of good information based on my experience w/steroids and physiological responses to various drugs. Unlike most people, I have the chemical and biological knowhow to help others, which is the whole point of this board. Personally, I know nothing of the practical effects of injectables since I just started my first cycle 1.5 weeks ago. I could quote the physiological reaction to injectables word-for-word because I've been studying it for 4 years now, but it wouldn't be the same. Nothing compares to experience in my opinion. Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
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good for you fonz, i agree. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA This guy just started his first cycle, and is telling us about the side effects of steriods. LOL....oh god, too funny. Has anyone seen this fruit cake post anything that we can go to a local medical library and look up? I didn't think so. I think we should all just leave this alone, between this post and the "Anadrol" post, we have determained that Fonz is a load mouth bag of hot air. (BTW Fonz, almost everyone here knows my credentials....don't worry, they far overshadow your attempt at a masters, in the fields of exercise realted sciences...) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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MeanOne what I forgot to mention to you is that I have 4-years experience with orals. I have done them all because I was paranoid of needles. Needless to say there are very few people on this board who have my oral steroid knowhow and experience. I am not a newbie MeanOne, by any means. I just wanted to show to you that I am an expert in oral steroids, and that is the reason why I know you are lying about the anadrol for starters. Anything above 5 tabs a day will give you serious migraines. The pro's use what we call volumetric blood osmotics which normalize their excessive blood hematocrit levels. MeanOne, you are definately out of your league on this issue. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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There you go, spouting off what pro's do and whatnot, with no backup. Please, you are making yourself look worse and worse, I'm beginning to feel bad for you. BTW, how many NPC clients do you have??? Oh and your scared of needles but because you can pop a few tabs of anadrol a day that makes you an expert? Gee, if you were the superior brain that you claim to be, you would have overcome your fear of needles long ago...but you are just a scared little child, as you continue to prove throughout your posts.... All I'm asking is for ONE SHRED of evidence for anything you claim... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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damn i think i will just stay out of this one ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Well Said MeanOne, Brit Attitude Fonz? Dont even get me started. Listen up, all your expertise and knowledge and you recommend that andriol is great to use. I would assume that anyone with any knowledge would tell a newbie to stay away from it. It has very limited effects and is far from cost effective. From that statment alone I wont take a word you say seriously. The fact that everyone who said to the man in question that he shouldn't use it and you go ahead and call them all ignorant, well this tells me much about your character. Peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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For bloody starters, The guy who wanted to use Andriol wanted an oral w/ few sides. Since, he didn't have accesability to Anavar, I recommended Andriol to him, which after anavar has the least amount of sides. I wasn't saying it was amazing or anything like that, but for his situation it was the best. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Very sad,that interesting discussion became something like this...very sad! | ||
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Freak
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Damn it took me 20 minutes to read this thread. Great pecker contest we have here. Later, Green ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I agree, Iron game must have read that I live in Glasgow and must have decided to try to tear me apart. From what I've seen ,Scots don't like brits. (I'm spanish by the way) Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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My pecker is the mightest of them all! LOL, just kidding. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Really? I heard you screwed a Cheerio. Damn, it must be diminute! Godspeed | ||
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Freak
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Glad to hear you are Spanish, actually some very good friends of mine are Scotts so I dont have a problem there. You are the one who said your typical Britt attitude. Secondly when everyone told him not to use andriol you called them all ignorant (even a chemist). Then you go ahead and start advising him to use anadrol. I just dont get you. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Iron Game, I have nothing against you or anybody else(except maybe MeanOne) Crash wanted to know if Andriol was effective, I told him that in my experience it was, if he wanted less sides. Ok, then he asked about Anadrol, and how much he should take. MeanOne gave him advice, and I told him MeanOne was incorrect. I then pointed him out to 2Thick's advice, which was sound. I was just explaining another type of steroid to crash, not urging him to take it over andriol. Ultimately, it is going to be his decision wether or not he takes Andriol or Anadrol don't you think? I was just giving him the facts. I could have said that anadrol gives you more gains than andriol, but that wasn't the question. He just wanted to know the effects of each drug. No harm was done Iron Game. I'm sure you asked for people's opinions on steroids and their side effects when you first started out too. We just have to let Crash make his own intelligent decision regarding his steroid usage. In the long run, it's that simple. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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If you were capable of reading, like everyone else was, you would notice, I said this is what I have done in the past, and not to follow in my footsteps. Thank god we have you here to stop everyone from making mistakes! LOL | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Hmmmm.... I wonder if Conan has seen this post since last night. He'd probably crack up because the thread has taken so many twists and turns. LoL To MeanOne, I've been on my computer for 4 hours now, and my butt is beginning to hurt. Let the poll do the talking. Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Conan is probably hiding,thinking:"What the fuck did I started?" LOL!!!!! | ||
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quote: Come on fonz, you know that medication is in terms of bodyweight so when you say take 2 asprins for example that is implied that it is a 175lbs person!!! So when you say that test is toxic at 1000mg ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Conan, let's just let it go. You, others, and as well myself, have all pionted out that he can't prove or varify anything he has said to be "Fact," and hasn't come back to reply about the studies I posted besides to say they were down on ill patients (which means he obviously didn't take the time to read them as only one was done on an ill test group), so how about if we just all let this die. You beat him, I beat him, IRON Game beat him.......of course, let him think in his head how wonderful he is, in the mean time, let's get big brother! | ||
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HEY Fonz See this is what i love, a nice healthy debate!! i respect all your opinions however i do disagree and now that i just ended my 2nd week of my cycle i am beginning to think that this cycle actually is kind off weak and am SERIOUSLY concidering uping my dosages in the 2nd part of this cycle!!! thanks for you input ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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To Conan: You are correct in the fact that I didn't post the dosages in relation to bodyweights. But, you are taking an enormous amount of drugs, which ultimately WILL interact with the test. If you were only taking test by itself, your viewpoint would be totally correct. But you aren't. The other drugs will interact with the large test dosage, and this will probably have different metabolic consequences than taing test by itself. To MeanOne: You certainly have staying power, I'll grant you that. It has been 5 hours now. I've read your studies, and while concise and informative, there is a flaw. One study cites that arteries are very flexible, and can adapt to increases in pressure. But that is all it says. There is no specific study which analyses the pressure changes and elasticity of an artery in relation to the volumetric mass flow rate of that given artery. Godspeed | ||
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To Fonz, Currently with the use of Arimidex, my water weight is way down, so this will head off alot of potential sides that are related to aromitization, also with the liver toxicity, the Dbol is only in use for 3-4 weeks at 75mg this is plenty of time to get results and yet not long enought to cause damage if the proper preventive messures are in place, further more with the use of the slin/gh/t3 This is the last point i will make AS WITH MOST THINGS....IT IS ALL RELATIVE!!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Wow, I was hoping you would hit me with moe than that. Well, okay, so let's say you could debate the piont of 1 out for 4 or 5 studies...what about the others? There's not much left to say, besides the fact I have real world science on my side instead of the Science of Theory. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I couldn't agree more. Furthermore Conan, lock this thread before MeanOne gets to post. I can smell his comeback already. LoL Godspeed |
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posted February 02, 2001 09:20 PM
