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  MUSCLE MAG(UNCENCORED ATRICLES) ITS ABOUT CLOMID AND HCG ANYONE SEEN IT??

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maxes21

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posted February 01, 2001 02:20 AM

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TODAY I JUST BOUGHT THE APRIL MAG AND IN THE UNCENSORED SELECTION THAERE WAS A QUESTION THAT SEEMED INTERESTING TO ME

Q: I CANT CHOOSE BETWEEN HCG AND CLOMID TO GET MY TEST LEVELS BACK UP. WHICH ONE IS BETTER?

A: " THEY STATE THAT HCG IS SIMILER TO LH (LUTEINIZING HORMONE) AND THEREFORE, HAS LH CHARACTERISTICS AND THAT HCG HAS THE ABILITY TO INCRESE ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE LEVELS.
NOW ABOUT CLOMID THEY SAY THAT IT INCRESE'S NATURAL TSET LEVELS(I ALREADY KNEW THAT)BECAUSE OF ITS ABILITY TO STIMULATE AND INCRESE THE RELEASE OF FHS(FOLLICLE-STIMULATING HORMONE)ANF THAT HCG ACTS ALOT LIKE LH WHILE CLOMID WORKS TO INCREASE LH.
IT ALSO STATES THAT ""THE ONE PROBLEM WITH HCG IS, WITH ITS LH PROPORTIES, IN NO WAY DOSE IT INCREASE ENDOGESOUS LH PRODUCTION IN THE BODY.THIS POSES A PROBLEM WHEN THE HCG IS STOPED. THE LEVELS OF LH ARE STILL SUPRESSED AND, THEREFORE, NATURAL TEST LEVELS WILL FALL AFTER THE DRUG IS STOPED AND IS SUGGESTED THAT HCG NOT TO BE TAKEN FOR MORE THAT 3 WEEKS DUE TO THE CHANCE OF TESTICULAR ATROPHY. AND THAT THE ONE PLUS TO THIS DRUG IS THAT IT WORKS REALLY QUICKLY, AND THAT INFACT THERE WILL BE TESTOSTERONE PEAK IN 2 HOURS AND A SECOND PEAK PEAK IN 5 DAYS AFTER THE DRUG IS ADMINISTERED. AND THAT CLOMID HAS SHONE TO RESTORE TEST LEVELS TO NORMAL WITH IN 10 TO 14 DAYS.

HE ALSO STATES THAT ONE BB HE HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH LATELY TELLS HIM HE HAS EXPERIENCED GREAT GAINS FROM A CYCLE HE CALLS THE ""PREVENTION STACK"" IT TYPICALLY GOSE LIKE THIS

WEEK 1,5,9- 100MG CLOMID PER DAY
WEEK 2,6,10- 50MG CLOMID PER DAY
WEEK 3,7- 1500 IU HCG MIDWEEK
WEEK 4,8- OFF BOTH DRUGS
AND THAT WEEK 11--1500 IU HCG ON MONDAY AND SATURDAY+100MG CLOMID PER DAY
AND WEEK 12-- 1500 IU HCG ON THURSDAY+50MG CLOMID PER DAY.
AND THIS GUY TAKES THIS STACK WITH HIS CYCLES
HE CLAIMS THAT THE ONE BENIFIT OF STACKING THE 2 WAS THAT CLOMID ALSO ACTS AS A ANTI-STROGE THOUGHOUT THE CYCLE.

THIS SEEMS PRITTY CRAZY TO ME BUT IS THIS TRU AND ACCURATE??AND SHOULD SOMEONE USE THIS DURRING THERE CYCLE?CAUSE I THOUGHT I READ THAT IF YOUR TEST LEVES ARE HIGH WHILE TAKING AA/S THAT THEY WILL HINDER GAINS.

I AM CONFUSED ON THIS MATTER HELP ME OUT BROS


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MeanOne

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posted February 01, 2001 03:17 AM

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A lot of guys would agree, the more test the better. I perfer and suggest clomid over HCG, but I also used HCG in my post cycle recovery when I did long cycles. Either way, it seems pretty accurate.


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maxes21

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posted February 01, 2001 08:01 AM

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bump, anyone else have any input?


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BigPapaPump

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posted February 01, 2001 08:55 AM

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Having natural high test levels during a cycle will not hinder your gains. It would be prefered over having your system shut down all together. What you might have read and or misunderstood is that using anti estros to control estrogen while on cycle can sometimes hinder gains. CLomid and HCG do not target or limit estor levels in the same manner that say Novaldex or proviron do. I think E2 started the talk about using clomid throughout an entire cycle some time ago. If you are prone to test related side efects and have problems getting your natural test levels back to normal after cycle, this method could be beneficial to you. Luckily, knock on wood, I normally have no issues. ALot of the limp dick syndrom that goes around is also tied to other things like diet.....but thats another story.

BPP


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