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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 07:18 PM

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OK i might have said it wrong but here is what i am saying....i got info to back me up>>>>READ IT WORD FOR WORD!!!AND TEST INCREASES GH AND IGF-1<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Tamoxifen Citrate is used as an anti estrogen. It will stop gyno. Comes in 10mg and 20mg tabs. Bad effect: Makes steroids work less! Only use it if you really need it. Have been conected to testicular cancer in rat studies.
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) is a drug that obstructs the action of the hormone estrogen, by competing with estrogen for receptors. Thus, reducing it's effectiveness, but not stopping estrogen production. It's use, is in treatment of estrogen dependent tumors, primarily located in the breast tissue of women. It's primary use among bodybuilders is to reduce or prevent edema (excess fluid in the intercellular tissue spaces of the body), gynecomastia (bitch tits), and female pattern fat distribution during high dosages of anabolic steroids or testosterone. Excessive testosterone or androgens are converted to estrogen (aromatase).
Nolvadex also decreases GH and IGF-1 production, while part of the anabolic effect of androgens or testosterone is caused by increased GH and IGF-1 production. So, you have a battle between the Nolvadex and anabolic activity, causing a decrease in optimum muscle growth. Some bodybuilders, wait until they experience itching, soreness, or excessive sensitivity in the nipple area, then take 40mg/day of Nolvadex for one week, then decrease the dosage to 10mg/day, for the rest of the duration of the cycle. So its a decision between playing it (so-called) safe and optimum muscle growth.

TA is a testosterone analogue ten to fifty times more active in the human body than testosterone. Neumann, F. 1975. Anabolic Agents in Animal Production, FAO/WHO, pp235-264. Ranchers have found that cattle implanted with Finaplix not only grow larger, but they are also leaner at a much higher body weight. Perry TC; Fox DG; Beerman DH; Effect of an implant of trenbolone acetate and Ralgrow on growth, feed efficiency, and carcass composition of Holstein and beef steers. Journal of Animal Science. 69 (3): 4696-702 In studies, suckling steers implanted twice with Finaplix, made a gain of thirty lean pounds more than a non-implanted steer. More exciting than just the actual weight gain is the science behind it. Not only does the drug improve nitrogen retention, but it also raises many hormone levels. In a study performed by the Department of Animal Sciences, rats were injected with Trenbolone Acetate daily for two weeks and then were tested for an increase in growth hormone (GH), insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) and fibroblast growth factor (FGF). Not only did treated rats grow more rapidly, deposit less bodyfat and retain more protein, but satellite cells cultured from the Trenbolone-treated rats exhibited greater sensitivity to FGF and IGF-1 than cells cultured from control rats. This increased sensitivity was also accompanied by increased levels of GH, IGF-1 and FGF in the bodies of the rats. With an elevated cocktail of these growth promoting hormones flowing in an animals body, it cannot help but grow! Thompson SH; Boxhorn LK; Kong WY; Allen RE; Trenbolone alters the responsiveness of skeletal muscle satellite cells to fibroblast growth factor and insulin-like growth factor I.
Endocrinology. 124 (4): 2110-7 (1989) Not only are the cells more sensitive to these hormones, there are more hormones available to utilize! It would be safe to say that similar kinds of hormonal increases and sensitivities would also be found in humans that used Trenbolone Acetate. A large increase in these hormone levels would not only help with growth, but would sky rocket the effectiveness of this drug due to the cocktail of the anabolic hormones present in the body. What makes TA so attractive to bodybuilders and strength athletes is the incredible cosmetic and strength-producing effects it has on the body. Users report a dramatic increase in strength and muscle density along with anoticeable increase in fat loss

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Slopain

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posted January 30, 2001 07:32 PM

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So where does it say Lasix is an ingedient in nolva?

That was why you recieved so many flames, you stated in your post (which you deleted I assume since its gone, but findable on the search *topic only*) that Nolva contains lasix.

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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 07:54 PM

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no i didnt mean to write it down like that what i was saying is that it gets rid of water like lasix thats why you might not see that gainz you want..............

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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 08:03 PM

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bump cuz i got flamedddd lol

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DREXX

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posted January 30, 2001 08:13 PM

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Ultragainz:

Most of the people flamed you because of the lasix comment!

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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 08:21 PM

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hey DREXX why you and E2 ripping on me at the other board cuz of that post?and why the hell is he posting sh*t about me?plus tell the man that i wrote it wrong ok and i fixed it and i also said it on this post.

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DREXX

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posted January 30, 2001 09:56 PM

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Well Ultragainz!

Why do you think E2 is saying those things?

You asked him to be a mod on a board you have never even visited.

In my opinion AnabolicFitness is the best board with the most knowledge on the net. Don't get me wrong I like many other boards but that one is the best.

You think you are mod material for a high caliber board like that?

The lasix comment says it all. We just think your arrogance is funny!

MeanOne is very arrogant but he has the brains to back up his arrogance and you don't.

PS. No disrespect to Meanone, I think he is a cool guy I am just trying to prove a point.

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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 10:02 PM

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bro about the mod thing i just asked that really i never knew i was going to get ripped like that and about the nolvd i said it before i posted it wrong why dont people get the damn point and i did correct myself and some people said the test dont increase igf1 and gh but i proved them wrong so go ripp on them.later

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LUVS2JUICE

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posted January 30, 2001 10:07 PM

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Ok ULTRAGAINS i am totally with you on nolvadex stoppin you from maximum gains but Doesnt it also DECREASE WATER RETENTIOn!!?? because I have been dieting now for last 2-3 months and lost tons of size and now that i am starting my cycle as if you seen my post (depending on you.......) i stated that i wanted to take nolvadex because i dont want to be bloated or have any water retention from the sust.. I just want to be HARD/RIPPED/VASCULAR in which why i thought i should take 10mgs of NOLV EOD.. you think that would be a bad idea ultra or anyone else??


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DREXX

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posted January 30, 2001 10:22 PM

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I take 10mg of nolva ed when on a cycle and it's fine. It helps to keep the bloat away and it seems to keep me leaner as well.

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ultragainz

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posted January 30, 2001 10:30 PM

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bro see nolvd is great but some people want all the weight they can get thats why i said it you can lose gainz on it if you looking for all the weight you want but what you are saying is great

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el cubano

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posted January 30, 2001 10:35 PM

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Wow, ok, I didn't flame you the first time, instead I just tried to set you straight. Now first off, that first paragraph can be thrown out as proof of anything. I was written by a knucklehead just like you and me, not a doctor. The rest of that stuff is interresting, but doesn't support anything about nolvadex use in humans? Like I said before, there was only one study done on humans with nolvadex. It was done on pregnant lactating women. It displayed a slight decrease in IGF-1 levels. Now with that said (again), when a study is done with grown men taking 1g of test per week then come back to me with some shit and flame me, until then I'll keep taking my nolva with my cycles and continue to grow!

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Stew Meat

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posted January 31, 2001 02:33 AM

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You are right about test increasing GH and IGF-1 that's the benefit of test as it is said to be 50% androgenic and 50% anabolic. There you see the benefits outside of androgen receptor binding activity.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 31, 2001 05:21 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by DREXX:
Ultragainz:

Most of the people flamed you because of the lasix comment!


As well as his statement that said Prop was the only steroid that increased IGF-1 levels!

And No I did not flame you just set you straight that any form of test does that.
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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 31, 2001 03:43 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by ultragainz:
hey DREXX why you and E2 ripping on me at the other board cuz of that post?and why the hell is he posting sh*t about me?plus tell the man that i wrote it wrong ok and i fixed it and i also said it on this post.



Hey Ultra could you please post the link to that thread

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