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Freak 
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Looking for opinions, mainly on how to run the deca. I won't increase the sust dosage over 500 nor the deca over 300 though. Sust-Deca-D-bol 1.500-0-4 -The pyramid on the d-bol is supposedly to help prevent injuring tendons, not sure if this is a valid theory or not, but I read it a few places. -Still not sure about the optimal way to run the deca to help prevent crashing as much as possible Obviously I will have clomid, nolva, milk thistle and all that stuff.     | ||
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Freak
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Guru 
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Sup Frack, Dont do that pyramid with the dbol - IMHO its a waste.I dont understand why you dont start the deca at week 1 also? I would keep the deca and test dosages at a constant (but not equal) level throughout the whole cycle. The dbol looks good if you: 5,5,5,4,4 - but honestly you dont need to taper it at all at that low a dose (I know your younger so Im not saying the low doses are a bad thing at all). About the crash: if you get on your clomid, eating (especially at your age = quick rebound for endogenous test) it wont be bad. You must come to face the facts that you WONT keep 100% of your gains if you come off, but you should be able to keep a lot of them. The tapering and pyramiding and all that stuff isnt going to do much more than rob you of gains during your cycle because you are messing around with ramping them up and down instead of the high constant level. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1841 |
Well Slop, that's the reason I asked. I'm still confused about running the deca because: 1. The sust won't kick in 'till around week 4, so I'd want the deca and sust to kick in at about the same time right? Now, I don't know how long after injention nandrolone becomes active (2 weeks?) so that's why I just threw the dosages up there so someone more knowledgeable could arrange them correctly. The main advice I need here is how to optimally run the deca. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 6387 |
Your cycle looks just fine to me. Cycling is not a exact science (or even close to it) so experiment with dosages to see what works best for you. I would lower the dosages but if you want huge gains then this cycle will do it (as long as you get the proper calories, protein, training, rest...ect). ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Guru
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My point is: IF your on for say 10 weeks or whatever - you want to get the absolute most out of that 10 weeks with minimal sides that allow for maximum gains. We do this by keeping a constant elevated level of your items in the stack throguhout. Thats why pyramiding and in most cases tapering are a waste of time, money, and gear. So start the deca right away - it will hit about the same time as the sus anyways. The dbol will get you some gains early, while the deca and sus are building. Look at it this way if your going to keep 70% of your gains (just for arguments sake) then wouldnt it be better to put 25 pounds on this cycle, rather than 20 (youd keep about 4 more pounds off of the cycle). So in essence that time ramping up and down is going to be robbing you of potential gains IMO. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Freak
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Ok then. So start everything at the same time. Guess my ass won't be as sore thanks to the deca then. Slopain and others, what would an optimal dosing schedule be with the deca for the following cycle then. I'd prefer to stay under 300mg for a couple of reasons. Sust-Deca-Dbol | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 578 |
HEY BRO! I WOULD GO WITH BETWEEN 300-400MG/WEEK THROUGH OUT THE CYCLE FOR THE FULL 8 WEEKS. THAT CYCLE SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME NICE MASS GAINS. HOPE THIS HELPS OUT A LITTLE. GOOD LUCK M18 | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 32 |
Frackal I have the norandren 200 and its underfilled your cycle gave me the idea to just get some more sustanon and do the deca I got at the same time in combination with 25 mg day of d-bol for 4 weeks. Thanks man I'm gonna try it anyone see anything wrong with that? | ||
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Moderator
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I do not see any reason to change your cycle. Just try it your way and modify it next time. ------------------ Great Information on Injections and Syringes | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4618 |
Id go 300 if thats your max, even if it wasnt I like to keep my test well above my deca doses. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 262 |
Hey bro's these are all good posts and a great topic? Would it help keep the gains if he threw primobolan-depot from weeks 5-10 at 400mg and ran it past the end of the cycle after all it will help hold the overall gains and with the the clomid will bring you back pretty stedy without a crash and its virtualy side free. Any ideas?? Mass Monster | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1841 |
quote: If I only had the money to do that, I would surely add the primo. But this is my first cycle, it's already going to run my broke ass over 500 dollars, and at 15$ an amp for primo at 400mg for 5 weeks, well, I cannot afford another 300. Maybe next time. I'm sure someone here knows when deca kicks in...if it's 2 weeks then I'll start it at week 3 and run it until week 10, if it's less than a week I'll start it at week 1 and run to 8. What I want is the sust and deca to kick in at the same time, right around when the d-bol is gone. Also, is there any validity to running the deca way past the sust, to help my natural test come back online while still having enough of an anabolic in my system to prevent a crash? [This message has been edited by Frackal (edited January 30, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1841 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 262 |
I understand bro, Since its your first cycle working with what you have will still give you awesome results, good luck bro let me know how things turn out. Mass Monster | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 462 |
Forget Deca. Run Sust for 10 weeks 500mg/week Dbol 35mg/day for 6 weeks Fina 100mg/ed for weeks 4-12 Start Clomid and Clen on week 13th.. Get a kit and convert Fina yourself,the whole cycle will cost you nothing,and if you make twisted move and use Aratest instead of Sust,the cost will go down even more! And with cycle like this you will keep most of the gains,really! |
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posted January 30, 2001 01:10 PM