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 Question for the pro's re. Nolvadex
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Cool Novice 
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We know that Nolvadex is an estrogen blocker, but it does not prevent aromatization. So, what happens with the estrogen that has aromitized in the body, does the body just get rid of it or what? Second, how long will it take for the estrogen receptors to become immune to Nolvadex, i.e. how long can you take Nolvadex until it stops blocking estrogen? This is important to know if we are using Nolvadex to block out estrogen throughout our cycle. Thanks for your help guys..     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Freak 
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No your body doesnt just get rid of it, it stays around in your system. This is known as the rebound effect. That is why in my opinion it is better to use proviron which completely prevents the aromtization of steroids not only block out its effects. If you were using nolva when you come off the estrogen is still there and....... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Iron Game, I don't have any proviron around, nor Armidex. I only have Nolvadex and some Clomid. How can I use the Nolvadex thoughout the cycle and ensure the "rebound effect" does not occur, i.e. take it for a month after my test cycle?? Also, can you answer the question regarding the receptors becoming immune to Nolvadex? Thanks. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 444 |
What would happen if you took the nolva all the way through? I wouldn't do it because I like a little water and I don't have trouble with aromatization in reasonable doses, but wouldn't that cut down the rebound effect? | ||
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Cool Novice
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My concern is more towards the receptors becoming immune. Can anybody answer my second question from the original post?? Thanks.. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Guru 
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No,receptors do not "immunize" themselves from nolvadex.It works just as well after a dozen cycles as after the first one.Once you've achieved your proper dosing schedule on it that combats gyno/excessive bloat,you can stay at that dosage on each and every cycle....As far as blocking the enzyme aromitase goes,you have no choice but to use an aromitase inhibitor if you you wish to crush free circulation of estrogen.It should be noted that some estrogen needs to be present though,not only for muscular performance/mass building,but a whole host of other necessary bodily functions.The idea is to achieve SUPPRESSION, not complete ELIMINATION... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Thanks for the replies. Since I have only Nolvadex and some Clomid pills (no Proviron or Armidex), how much per ed/eod would be a good dose of Nolvadex to prevent gyno occuring and at the same time leaving a little estrogen available for it's needs?? Also if you can include whether to start high in dose and taper down or to be consistent throughout the cycle. Just to let you know I plan on doing a 1-1.5grams of test/week with some Deca/D's. Thanks.. [This message has been edited by e-man (edited January 30, 2001).] | ||
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Guru
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Save the clomid for post cycle re-initialization of test production.As far as the nolvadex goes,are you pre-disposed towards developing gyno?If not,then you may not need any at all.If so,then I would recommend at least 20mgs/day throughout the entire cycle up until the point you begin clomid therapy... | ||
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Cool Novice
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How many weeks before end of cycle should I start Clomid and what's a good dose/ed/eod?? Also should I take 10mg of Nolvadex eod while doing the Clomid?? Thanks for your help Huck.. | ||
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Guru
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Start the clomid a couple of week after your last shot of test/deca,and run it in the following pattern... Day-1)300mgs(2tabs every 4 or 5 hours.This will bring blood levels up to an immediate therapeutic amount) Days-2-11)100mgs/day(one in the a.m.,one in the p.m.) Days-12-21)50mgs/day Nolvadex will most likely not be necessary,as clomid itself has anti-estrogenic properties(although nolvadex is slightly more selective in breast tissue).If you notice any nipple sensitivity while on the clomid,then you could re-institute the nolvadex at 20mgs/day alongside it,but I doubt you'll have any problems that warrant it... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Looking to keep water bloat to a minimal as I can't get to moon faced and don't want to lose my abs. with that said will 10 mg's nolva eod combat a sust at 500mg/wk deca 400mg/wk 30 mg d-bol/daily cycle? I'm 190lbs and will be on the d-bol for 5 weeks the sust for 6 weeks and the deca for 8 weeks. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 588 |
"We know that Nolvadex is an estrogen blocker, but it does not prevent aromatization. So, what happens with the estrogen that has aromitized in the body, does the body just get rid of it or what?" All hormones have a half-life in the body. Estrogen and testosterone get metabolised into more water soluble, inactive compounds and then are excreted in the urine. As levels increase in the body, the liver can increase the rate of metabolism to deal with the increased amounts. Certain chemicals can also increase or decrease the liver's ability to metabolize certain compounds. Di-indolylmethane and indole-3-carbinol can increase the rate of estrogen conversion into less active compounds. So the answer is yes, the estrogen formed by aromatization is gotten rid of by the body. It does not just hang around forever. |
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posted January 30, 2001 08:55 AM