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 Have you guys noticed this...see if you follow the logic.
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I'm not asking for anyone to agree or disagree with me. This isn't for an arguement as we all feel that certain drugs work well for us and not so well for others. What is the typical dosage of things like Test, or Dbol around here? 750mgs a week, 40 mgs a day??? Some guys use like 3 grams of test a week. Most say that anything under 500mgs. is a waste of time, for others 1000 mgs. Now then, how much fina do you normally use? 75mgs EOD? or 225mgs a week....Not only is this an effective dosage, but the results are vast and noticable. How much winstrol is effective? 16mgs a day? You bet. My question is this - if you can get huge off huge doses of drugs that are somewhat inferior in muscle building qualitites to more anabolic drugs, what would happen if you used those huge dosages worth of anablic drugs? I'm not talking about weight gain, because I can do a cycle of enanathate, eat 50 big macs a day, and add 20lbs of muscle, 10 lbs of water, and 15 lbs of fat in 8 weeks, for a total gain for 45lbs. However, what looks better? 45lbs of overall weight, or 20 pounds of purely cut muscle. And don't try to say that you will be stronger using test than fina and winstrol? Why do you think they are favorate drugs amongst powerlifters? Basicly, if you are willing to use multiple grams of drugs, why not use drugs that are the most effective? My vote for size and strength, in LBM terms, goes to Fina/Winstrol over Dbol/Test any day. Can you imagine what someone would look like on 1500mgs of Fina a week and 100mgs of winstrol a day...try to say you wouldn't grow. You wouldn't be as big as a house, you WOULD BE the house. I'm not knocking test, it has it's place. I'm not knocking Dbol, it's good to. I'm just saying, don't forget the anabolic drugs because they are used in lower dosages (which only means they are more potent, not that they are less effective).     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 985 |
My training partner and I had a similar conversation this evening..we both figure that a simple stack of fina/winny at 100mgs each daily could be amazing. For sure the strength gains would be there, how about size though? How much weight do you think could be gained off this cycle after 6 weeks? I'm guessing 10-15lbs of rock hard muscle. From my experience, retention of gains and strength is second to none for this stack..it's agreat way to finish off a long cycle..don't get me wrong, I love test the best, but fina isn't far behind. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 771 |
have fun shopping for tupay's (sp?)and livers the side effects incurred with this amount of winny and fina would be borderline suicidal, bros...at least for me it would be! take care, PA | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 71 |
guys like you who rely on taking as much gear as possible to get as big as possible or whatever always end up looking like pure disgusting grade A crap. I bet you dont even train that hard. Dont post these ideas here so irresponsibly so that new people who know nothing end up following your advice. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
Can you please back that up with something? Fina dangerous at high dosages...give me some evidence. Also, how many people use 150 or 200 mgs of A50 a day? 100mgs of Winny is NO MORE toxic to the liver than ANY OTHER 17aa steriod! Besides...since studies have shown most people can process 72mgs of 17aa drugs a day without elevated liver enzyme counts, just goes further to back up the idea that 100mgs is reasonably safe. Suicide? I think not... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
DCS, I have a good source for some Prozac if you need it. I think you are way out of line, and need to take a step back. After your whole 62 posts, none of which I've seen, I don't think your in a possition to degrade my character or theories. This was not posted for arguements to ensue, if that's what you guys wish, I will edit this post out entirely because arguing should be left to other, lesser boards. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Your right man I m sorry. I dont know why I posted that. It just pisses me off to see these guys starting off with a gram per week of test plus another gram of other stuff. You must understand I haven't slept well in days cause I myself am on a little too much shit right now. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 771 |
hey MEAN ONE... bro, i could care less what YOU do to yourself....but since you posted this here, i was assuming you wanted opinions...but i see that you're looking for self-confirmation instead. next time you post, i'll keep my thoughts to myself... PA | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 144 |
Meanone you don't have to imagine what someone would look like on 1500mg of fina a week and 100 mgs of winstrol per day, just look at any pro bodybuilder at the Olympia and that will answer your question. But remember, Tren is very hard on the kidneys just ask "Don ****". | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 817 |
hehehe PA is my best friend  | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1678 |
MeanOne I think you are missing an all important part here. How long can you use winny for? How long dbol for? How long fina for? Now think about how long you can use test for? Thats your answer. Many people are on year round and they need something that has little sides and is relatively safe, the answer is testosterone. Yes winny, fina and all else are great as additions to test ut you can't go on them for as long as you can go on test for. Peace ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 427 |
I believe that the powerlifters like the fina/winny stack so much because it gives good strenghts gains without water retention amd they need to be as light as posible to match in a certain weight class. If test wouldn�t aromatize, or weight classes wouldn�t exist, maybe powerlifters would prefer test. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1911 |
I agree with Cornellius on this and that is why test with arimidex can't be beat as the base of any cycle. ------------------ | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4603 |
Bump, its theory - not sure if I agree with it or not, but it stimulates some new conversation here. I would be concerened with length of time able to stay on a big Fina/Winny stack and how high of doses my body could take (including hair line). ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5890 |
Well i'm rather suprised at the reactions to MeanOnes post. I personally think he's bang on. Shooting a ton of tren and winny is unbelieveable for gains. Think about it, tren is twice as anabolic as test and three times as androgenic, take 1000mg of tren a week and watch yourself blow up. The winny is as well a very strong drug. Don't get me wrong, i love shooting test, but his theory is sound and a cycle along these lines will yield incredible results!! I'm thinking about something similar for my next cycle, 172mg fina and 100mg winny ed for 10 weeks. I'll be the damn guinea pig and let you all know how it goes. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5363 |
I agree as well,on a mg per mg basis.If someone could handle a gram + a week of tren or even winny for that matter,growth would be VERY signifigant...Not sure I would feel confident health-wise on that amount of those drugs though,whereas test,with the proper ancillaries,I would.But this is a very good,thought-provoking post meanone,that gets some of us"thinking outside of the box"...I'll bump it... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1360 |
I am starting a cycle in mid feb. After that, say mid july, I'm going to do a fina/winny cycle with some t3. My doses are avg for tren but I am going to take 100mg of winny ed for 7 weeks. I cant wait to see the true muscle growth out of that cycle. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 162 |
does anybody have any idea how dangerous this could be?I'm not trying to down this idea, I really want to know.At this point in time I'm thinking about doing a little fina/winny experiment on myself. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
Thanks for the support guys. Remember this is just a thoery, I'm not saying to do it. (I however am going to once I find a damn scientific scale.) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 459 |
Mg for mg Tren/Winny is much stronger than Test/dbol and it's a good side and the bad sides. If your body can tollerate such a high doses of Fina/Winny without really bad side effects,and for prolonged period of time(wich I highly doubt) then go for it. IMO,the best practical way to do it,would be playing with those compounds,say,one cycle with Test as a base,next one with Fina,to make sure that body gets a break. But your point about high doses of strong anabolics is very intriguing,I love the idea. [This message has been edited by panerai (edited January 30, 2001).] |
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posted January 30, 2001 01:32 AM
