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el cubano

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posted January 30, 2001 01:30 AM

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I'm kind of wondering why anyone would use sust over omna? I mean, omna and sust are identical, but omna is much cheaper! I think that it's one of the brand name things, you know, like paying an extra $30 just cuz the shit says Tommy Hilfiger.

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posted January 30, 2001 01:34 AM

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I always wondered the same thing myself. You can get omnas for $9 or less. Sust you usually pay around $11-12 for.

BTW..Tommy Hilfiger clothes suck..

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posted January 30, 2001 01:42 AM

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omna is basically the same thing they are both a blend of 4 tests and omna works just as good save some cash and buy more and get bigger.

Tommy hifinger does suck

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big_guy1

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posted January 30, 2001 02:07 AM

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omna, without a doubt...

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TxRugby_8

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posted January 30, 2001 02:20 AM

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they're both a pain in the ass in my opinion. get it, pain in the ass-sust shot. hahaha, i'm an idiot. i guess from what i understand is that omna is dirty or not as sterile. who knows. i get sust for about the same price so i just go with that. by the way, did my fist shot of it on sunday and my ass is sore as a mofo.


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It would make no sense for me to use anything but omna its cheaper same formula.
Why would you use sust, because it says sust.

that would be ignorant.
But hey look at the threads posted here

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posted January 30, 2001 02:49 AM

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Oh, BigJay! Are you trying to say that we have ignorant people on this board? That's not nice!HEHEHE

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lillbubba

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posted January 30, 2001 05:10 AM

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Actually, Sus250 is cheaper, it's when it gets to the US the prices go up..!


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Dexter

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posted January 30, 2001 05:51 AM

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Omnadren is practically always cheaper than any sustanon-250 made anywhere, yet is identical.

And unless you happen to live in Turkey or wherever and can just stroll into the pharmacy and buy it OTC, believe me, the price of sustanon-250 goes up quickly long before it ever hits the U.S.

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posted January 30, 2001 09:28 AM

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Maybe some of us old timers remember the old Omna's....hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

Since I just received a load of shit Sust...I think I'm going to switch over to the Omna's.

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posted January 30, 2001 09:36 AM

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actually i get my sus for $10 and $8.50 the omna's are $10 also . the sus is alot cleaner and for me depending on which brand is the same price !


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My friend tried to tell me the other day that I should only use sus, and to stay away from the omnas. He said that the omnas always have worse side effects than sus. I told him that they were the exact same thing, but he swore by his belief that omnadren is horrible. I figure that his source or dealer has told him that just to get him to pay extra for sus. Geeez, why don't people ever listen when logic knocks on their F'in' door???

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posted January 30, 2001 09:58 AM

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Both effective!

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posted January 30, 2001 10:00 AM

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Tried Sust was good cost me alot more than omna, on Russian Jelfa Omnandren right now.


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I'm gonna make you guy's sick. I get my Organon Sustanon OTC for $5.00(us) inluding syringe and 2 pins, hehehe.
But it's just my luck that I get such severe pain and swelling from it I can't use it, so I buy Testoviron Depot 250 for the same price instead.
Never seen any Tommy Hilfiger juice so I can't comment there !!, lol.
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posted January 30, 2001 10:10 AM

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Hey bouncer, you get around. What is Lebanon like these days?

The last time I was there was in 1983, along with U.S. European Command and the Marine Expeditionary Force. And what was once "The Riviera of the Eastern Mediterranean" in Beirut was a bombed-out, terrorist-ridden shell of a city.

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Mikey D-time

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posted January 30, 2001 10:15 AM

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Unless I'm mistaken sust and omna are not identical. From what I know 3 or the four tests are the same but 1 is different. I know the results are practically the same but I always thought that chemicaly they were slightly different. Please correct me if i am wrong


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coolhandluke

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Yeah, i agree with Mikey, omnas are dirty, dirty drugs. The reason for this is that Jelfa wants people to get sick from taking them so they buy more drugs from them!!!! Jelfa even invented special bacteria that can live in the amps and aren't affected by all the alchohol in there!!!!! BEWARE!!!!


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Mickey D Time, That formula was changed some years back and now they are identical, I believe omna contains more alcohol but it could be the other way round.

As for omnas being cheaper, not over in this county

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posted January 30, 2001 10:41 AM

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CHL, you do know that there are people on this board that are going to believe that, right?

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posted January 30, 2001 10:43 AM

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they have a right to know.....

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posted January 30, 2001 10:51 AM

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i go whit omna,,save some money

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Both of them are overrated.Enanthate is better and cost less.Primoteston or Iranian Enanthate,both 250mg/ml.


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I've heard good things about the Iranian 250 mg/ml test enanthate. Still, I prefer the blend of esters in the sust/omna formula. My opinion; just seems "smoother" to me.

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I agree with panerai... Sustanon and like mixtures have to be the most overpriced, most overhyped, and most overrated steroid products. For the same amount of cash, I'll get a ton of Aratest, T200, or Primoteston -- they're all testosterones, just like Sustanon.

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posted January 30, 2001 12:25 PM

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test is test ormnas or sust doesnt matter once the test in you system builds up over 2 -3 weeks in to you cycle you couldnt tell the diffrence no matter what test your using they all make ya strong and grow .


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posted January 30, 2001 01:14 PM

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Use whatevers cheaper, there the same shit


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el cubano

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I've been hearing alot of good arguments back and forth. But the advantage that sust and omna has over say T200 is that vials are faked much more often than amps, vet steroids, although they won't kill you, are of poorer quality, and blends of different esters has been proven(by the bodybuilding community) to be more effective. Knowing this, the safe choice is sust or omna, the cheaper choice is omna.

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Well, El Cubano, who could argue that?

I would be interested in any contra-comments.

Stable, Sustanon Formula test, clean, pharmaceutical grade, meant for human beings. It's cool.

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Like I posted above,nobody twist your hand to use T200.If I have a choice of Sust/Omna or T200,I'd pick Sust/Omna also.
But,Primoteston,Iranian Enanthate,Aratest,Heptylate are less expensive(except Heptylate),as good quality wise,and give better results.


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I have used both a got the same effect. I dont know where you guy have been getting your gear but what the hell to each their own .

Just to let you know that i see better with my third eye. blink blink blink lol.

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Aratest, Ttokkyo sus, T200 (tornell) will all be much cheaper and just as effective.

This is a funny argument though, I know we wont change each others minds lol. But look if you want to argue sus vs omna I say go with the cheaper one (all quality is there.)

If you wanna say omna over ara or ttokkyo the price argument no longer works, and the quality issue also does not work (and i know you will try to dispute this). I am not saying this in flame, or angrily - but this is my stance - and I know a few of you in this thread may disagree with it.

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So are you saying that omna's ester blend will produce the same exact results as aratest? Another thing that people are forgetting about omna and it's esters is that fact of the time release which helps alittle bit in keeping gyno from hitting hard. Also, since it self tapers so wonderfully I, being one who believes in tapering, believe that it helps retain the gains better. Also you don't get as much of a weight loss after the cycle due to the release of water retention since the water retention is already less.

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I've argued ad nauseum about how we don't use Sustanon (Omnadren) for it's intended purpose. We defeat the use of the ester blend by injection multiple times per week. The blend was orginally designed for hormone replacement therapy with minimal injections, i.e., once every three weeks.

That being said, you'll see virtually the same results, mg per mg, from Sustanon versus Ara-Test, Primoteston, or even Tornel T200. Some may perceive that Sustanon works better simply because they "believe" it should work better. It's a mental game more than anything.

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Well correct me if Im wrong, but typically wouldn't aratest hold less water due to its higher % of prop. I have read several accounts of people saying they didn't bloat up (water weight) as much while on aratest in comparison to the omna/sus blends.

About the gyno, I dont think there is a substantial or even noticable difference, unless we are talking suspension.

About the tapering, the enanthate in all the of products will have a tapering effect just because of its longer half life then the rest of the esters - although it may not be as smooth (but I really dont think its an issue). Im not a big tapering enthusiast (for most products) so I usually prefer straight enanthate. (apologize for any typos)

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Very interesting,very interesting.I don't know,of course,how much of it is true,just makes me think,...hm..
Please,check this out: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/04-2000/010657.html


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so are you telling me that every omna is 200mg? I hope that's not the case. Maybe somebody could do some other tests on other batches to see.


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thats bullshit, there is no reason for jelfa to underdose their products. unless that box of omna was bought in a polish pharm i say its counterfeit.


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Hey,don't scream at me,I just found it in Archives and think it's interesting.In a matter of fact,I'm using Omnadren now and really like it.
Hm,see...another proof that it's better to go with something else,like Aratest,for example.


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so you think fake ara is better than fake omna, huh? well, real omna is better than both of them in my opinion.


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Well,colega(sp?),Aratest is twice less expensive wich makes possibility of it being fake twice less,I hope you know that.
Also,speaking of real stuff,in my opinion,Aratest is better then Omnadren.Higher concentration of only two esters will provide faster build up and steadier level in bloodstream,then lower concentration of four,that's just too obvious not to see it.
I understand why you backing up Omna so much and I don't blame you,but,be fair.
And Omna is still very good product,hm,you know what? send me some asap and I will do test it here and post results,hehe...peace,do vidzenia!


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look kolego ,

i have never tried ara so i'm not gonna say that it sucks or whatever; from what i hear everyone seems to like it. i'm just stating that the omna that was tested is counterfeit. i have seen lots of counterfeit omnas even though you can buy it in pharmacies here for 25cents per amp. this thread is entitled omna/sust not ara/sust
if that were the case i would keep my mouth shut and let other people argue over which is better.
to recapp for everyone:

OMNA=SUST


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panerai - smartass lol
I have a lot of omnadren (as well as CYCTAHOH) tested in lab - it always corresponds to announceded dosage...


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Omna is great stuff.I've never seen anyone dissapointed with it....


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For the guy talking about aratest being less faked because it's cheaper, wrong. Dbol is cheap as fuck and probably faked as much if not more than deca.

As for the water retention and gyno, I'm speaking from experience. I get a touch of gyno from ara and enanth and the others, but when it comes to sust and omna it seems like I have no problem. See, no science, just experience.

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Polish Omnadren is very good for bulking. I got up to three ten on the stuff one offseason, but held more water than a pregnant lady with twins. I got much cleaner gains in mass with Sustanon 250, the Mexican is usually underdosed to around 175,but is much worth the price. The "Real" Egyptian Sust in the amps is great. Whatever you do, learn your own body, listen to yourself, only evaluate suggestions for possible use, but learn what works for you. Everyone is different with a different genetic makeup.

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25 cents an amp!!!! Coolhand, you wouldn't happen to know of any apartments coming up for rent would you? I suddenly think I need a change of scenery for a while. If I were you I would never do less than 2grams a week. I have to pay $85 for 10mL of 200mg cyp in the American pharmacies!

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I am on 500mg Omnaright now and i did a sust250 cyle as my first. i have not noticed any differnce in the two. water retention seems to be about the same and the side other then water have not been noticed. i will stick to omna since it is cheaper..


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I love polish gear.
I get Omna's for half the price than what I pay for the sust in mexico .

Polish gear is a much better quality product than Mexican gear.How can I say that?years and years of buying gear in mexico.

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RRECEIVER

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From:FT BRAGG, NC, US
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posted January 31, 2001 09:44 PM

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you can buy 100ml of karachi sust for $500. try finding omna that cheap (outside of poland).


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littlearnold1069

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posted January 31, 2001 10:53 PM

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my advice...go with what you can get cheaper...they are friggin' identical now

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macrophage69alpha

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posted January 31, 2001 11:34 PM

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Test is Test

That being said Arimidex is the great equalizer- release pattern differences btw sustanon and Ara-test 2500 (prop/enathate blend and a much better deal) become irrelevant with respect to gyno when Anastrozole is used.

At higher doses Arimidex is a must anyways (for most people). Even at lower doses it will keep you leaner and holding less water. Estrogen plays an important role in fat storage, Particularly in the lower body.

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panerai

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posted February 01, 2001 12:23 AM

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Well,Arimidex is great,but someone shouldn't overdose it.I mean,that if most of the conversion of test to estro is blocked,that's good enough.You don't want to block that process completely,wich Arimidex can do.Why? Because,in order for maximum muscle growth we need some estrogen,good examples are Drive and Trophobolene,also estrogen is vital for overall health,bones and internal organs.
Oh,yeah,complete block of aromatisition will accelerate convertion of Test to DHT,means hair loss!


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