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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Damn these things are just too interesting to me. What do you guys think of this: Day (1)-1000mg T-200 Day (1-14)100mg Prop, 50mg Winny-oral, 75mg Fina What do you think, 5lbs?     | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 5363 |
With the right diet,easily.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
Would you add another shot of T-200? I've seen others do this about day 5, but I thought that would extend the cycle too long. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 394 |
If you abide to the old theories of drug half lives, yes it would be too long. HOWEVER, through blood testing conducted in studies over the past 6 or 7 years has suggested that the drug may only be in the system for up to 8-10 day AT MOST. I shoot a big dose of Enanthate on day 1, and a smaller on day 5, it's worked well. I would stop the Propinate on day 12. Good luck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
Hey meanone, would you say 1000mg Enanthate on Day one, then maybe 500 on day five? Also do you think I could get away with 50mg PRop ED, or should I use 100? This would be my third cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1288 |
I would do the 1000mg of enant on day 1. No other enant after that. I would also stop the prop and fina on day 10 at the latest. It's only your 3rd cycle so I wouldn't aim for more than 2000mg total for the 2 weeks. 1000mg of Enant. If you want the fina and winny in there as well then decrease the prop to 50mg ed. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
Hey drexx why the total of 2000mg? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
As you become more experienced, your body gets better at breaking down things like testosterone, and in doing so, you need to use more of the drug for the desired effect. 1g on day 1 and 5oomgs on day 4 or 5 would work great, in my humble opinion. Fina can be kept in till day 13, however, stop using propinate on day 12 like said earlier. If you are going to stick yourself, why put a hole in your glute for only 50mgs of Testosterone? Go for 100. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1288 |
Most of your Androgen Receptors will be filled in with 500mg of AAS per week. 1000mg per week ensures optimal dosage in my opinion. If you can get good gains with 2000mg per short cycle why not stick with that. The only way I could understand your logic is if you either have too much money or you are in a hurry to get huge. If you don't get enough gains with 2000mg next time use 2500mg. This is just my opinion. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
I wish I had too much money. I thought on short cycles you were supposed to use higher than normal doses. I was gonna do a 6 week cycle of 100mg Prop EOD, 75mg Fina EOD, 50mg Winny ED. The thought of maximizing gains while minimizing shutdown sounds good to me. Plus jabbing yourself for only 2 weeks is appealing. Here's what I have done in the past: My first cycle was 6 weeks of 150mg Fina EOD with 100mg Winny ED. My second was 8 weeks of 500mg sust/week, 400mg Deca/week, and dbol for the first 4 weeks at25mg/day. This ws followed by two weeks of Fina using 75mg EOD. I know my body really likes fina and winstrol, especially Fina. It also seemed to like test. I don't think I got much out of Deca though. I have put on about 40lbs between these two cycles. I would like a total of about 20 more lbs of LEAN mass in my lifetime. I am after quality gains. I just don't want to waste gear by using too small of doses. [This message has been edited by growin' (edited January 30, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
Just a side note, if receptors were to be filled at 500mgs/wk, pro's wouldn't use 10 or 12 grams of drugs a week. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1264 |
I did almost the same cycle and I retained over 7 pounds...But Remember: SHORT CYCLES DO NOT WORK - Hehehe | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1288 |
This explains my logic. Like I said it is only my opinion so take it for what it's worth. Androgen Receptor Activation Once a free molecule of steroid reaches the muscle cell, it diffuses into the cell. The diffusion can be with or without transport-protein assistance. Once in the cell, the AAS is makes its way to the cell nucleus where it can bind with an androgen receptor (AR), and activate the receptor. Two of these activated receptor complexes join together to form the androgen response element (ARE). The ARE interacts with DNA in the nucleus, and increases the transcription of certain genes (such as muscle protein genes). As long as the ARE is intact, it accelerates gene transcription. Remember, though, that the AAS and the receptor are in a state of flux (binding and un-binding), just like with the Carrier proteins. So the ARE can be deactivated just by losing one of the two AAS that are bound to the AR's. This equilibrium situation explains why 1 gram per week testosterone is more effective than 1/2 gram per week, even though 1/2 gram appears to be more than enough to saturate all the AR's in the body. The higher concentration makes it more likely that the receptors will be occupied by an AAS, and the ARE will be intact for a longer period of time, on average. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
Oh I understand it's just a theory, but let me give a short counter to it. First, that provided no testing or study data. It was hypothetically explaining what goes on when androgens are present to receptors for them. It said that 1/2 gram "APPEARS" to be enough to fill the receptors. Appears based on what data however, is the question I pose? It's a decent theory, but even the best of them have holes. | ||
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Guru
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I agree.There has been signifigant research done that points to INCREASES in receptor population,in which case the more you flood your system,the more efficient your system becomes in making use of larger amounts of androgens all the time.I don't think there is a set point of what can be utilized,mg-wise,it is an individual response as well as the above info.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1288 |
I agree it's impossible to know how many AR a person has and how much AAS will be necessary to keep these saturated. I feel a newbie should start with 500mg of AAS per week and work up from there. Go with wath works. If 500mg isn't enough then add 250mg next cycle. What is the rush? It's better to build up then to start at 2000mg per week. IMHO! ------------------ |
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posted January 29, 2001 02:21 PM