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bigdog

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posted January 29, 2001 01:07 PM

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well, I just got done with a good mass cycle...I'm bridging for one month...clean for one month....then onto a combo Mass/cutting cycle. Here it is:

1-6 30mgs D-bol/day
1-12 800mgs test
1-12 300mgs Deca
7-12 400mgs EQ
1-12 30ius insulin /day

Most guys are going to ask why the Deca and EQ are in the same cycle but there is a good reason. EQ makes me hungry as a horse...thats why I use it...and it makes me hard and vascular.

After week 12 I'm going to this cycle:

13-20 200mgs Test Susp.
13-20 300mgs Winstrol
13-20 400mgs Test Enath
13-20 T-3
13-20 ECA and Clen alternating 2on 2off
Trying to get some PGF2A for the cutting too.

I've gained 35lbs from my last cycle like this. I have never done a cutting cycle before. I'm not too worried about the bloat from the test. I want to be ABSOLUTLELY certain that the T-3/clen/new diet isn't going to strip all this expensive and hard earned muscle away from me.

Tell me what you think, and if you know where to get PGF2A...email me!!!!!

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Beezers

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posted January 29, 2001 01:23 PM

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That's a long time(too long) to be running the t-3 unless it is only 25mcg.

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Rugby

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posted January 29, 2001 01:27 PM

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that is way too much insulin--I would stick to 20iu max. How much do you weigh? That is alot of t3 and if you run it for that long you will have to take it for the rest of your life to keep your thyroid production up


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bigdog

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posted January 29, 2001 02:04 PM

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doth my ears decieve me? lol

Well, I am 6'4" 310lbs 15% body fat. Built about the same as goldberg...maybe a little bigger.

You think 7 weeks is too long on T-3?????
I use T-3 like this: each number is one week and represents one tab...I never exceed 100mcs per day.

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The insulin I use two shots, one in the morning @ 15ius with 100grms protein and 150grms carbs. The second one immedietly after I lift...same nutrients. Yes I realize that not all of this is being absorbed...I have accsess to cheap protien, so why not.

I thought somebody was going to mention me bridging or staying "on" too long. I have done short cycles before...anywhere from 6-10 weeks. I just did a 12 week cycle. 4 week bridge. 4 week totally clean with MASSIVE HCG and clomid treatments. Now its time for another 12 week cycle...followed immediatly by an 8 week cutting cycle.

Hope my stats clear up any doubts about my insulin and T-3 use.

Thanks for your input guys...it is appreicated...just not in agreement on either count.

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big_guy1

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posted January 29, 2001 03:41 PM

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looks pretty good...I am personally bulking right now, never done cutting myself...omna/d-bol is still my fav... as far as slin, I use 25IU post workout with 200 g carb, plus whatever protein is in the meal, then I drink my shake, I am thinking about adding 10-15IU in the morning witha meal to see how it works....I use slin on workout days only though right now...

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bigdog

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posted January 29, 2001 03:54 PM

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big_guy

I usaully only use slin on lifting days as well, unless I am loading on creatine or glutamine...in which case I use it almost every day. Its nice to be able to pick and choose when I want to use it. I'm flexible in that regard.

I'm hoping to get up to 330-340. I will be happy with 7-9%. I'm not looking to compete in body building...but pro wrestling is sounding more and more interesting to me...

So if I get up to 330...I should be able to lean down to 300lbs and be pretty defined...not ripped...I want something I can maintain all year long. But who knows...maybe once I am that close I'll decide to do a few shows.

Later bros,

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Zeacky

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posted January 29, 2001 04:11 PM

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take the TEST to 2 grams not 800mg!!!!!

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bigdog

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posted January 29, 2001 06:58 PM

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Zeacky

I've been as high as 1200mgs....started getting some nasty signs of gyno...I backed off to 800 and that way I don't have to spend more money on Nolva...I make great gains from the Test/slin combo. I rely more on HEAVY training and HUGE amounts of food.

Take care guys...thanks for all the input.

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2Thick

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posted January 30, 2001 01:51 PM

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Going directly into a cutting cycle will dramatically cut into your mass gains. Also having your natural test suppressed for 20 weeks may not be a good idea if you want to function normally (and keep most of your gains ) after the cycle.

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bigdog

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posted January 30, 2001 02:45 PM

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2 thick,

This is kind of an experiment for me. I have done short cycles in the past, and was only moderately happy with the results. Diet and training are good...rest is as well.

I regret hearing that going directly into a cutting cycle will eat away my gains...I was hoping that the amount of test I was going to take while cutting would preserve my mass even from T-3 and clen...but I am sure I can be wrong on that point.

I suppose I could make this mass cycle 8 weeks instead of 12, come clean for 4 weeks, THEN go into the cutting cycle....???? I am kinda on a schedule here. I could cut now, but I want to be a little bigger before I do. Hence the second mass cycle. Also I want to be ready for summer...I work at a resort on my days off from the fire department...I would like to be in the best shape possible by the middle of summer.

What do you think? 8 mass/4clean/8 cutting?
or 12 mass/8 cutting??????

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was under the impression if I kept my test high enough...my muscle mass would stay.

I guess thats why you're the mod.

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2Thick

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posted January 30, 2001 06:23 PM

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If your time is limited then stick to the game plan but don't be too surprised if you lose a little mass. The test will be good for the T3 but the clen is anticatabolic anyway so it will help (and not hurt) your gains.

You might actually want to save the ECA/Clen for after week 20 since all they really do is keep you anticatabolic while you lose fat.

The PGF2 is a good product. It will help but you have to pay for the benefits with pain.

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bigdog

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posted January 30, 2001 10:46 PM

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2 thick,

Thanks for the advice...I'll do just that.

Payment by pain huh? lol

We'll see just how bad it really is...I have an endless supply of local anestetics!!!! My fiance is a dental hygentist!!!!! Not that I'm a wimp...but hey...no pain, no pain...is my motto....lol

Thanks bro.

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