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 Perfect cutting cycle...I think. Your comments & critique would be appreciated.
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 73 |
I've been planning out this cycle for over a month now. I already posted an earlier version of it up on this board a while back, and I got some useful tips. This is the new, updated version. Here are my stats now: 5'9", 195lbs, 27% BF (!). My goals are to see my abs for the first time in my life & get cut for spring, while maintaining or gaining a little muscle. Weeks 1-8: Primo Depot 400mg/week, Winny Depot 50mg/day, Proviron 50mg/day; Weeks 1-2, 5-6, 9-10: Clen 8 tabs/day; Weeks 3-4, 7-8: ECA 3 times/day; Weeks 1-9: Triacana 3.5mg/day (tapered up week 1, tapered down week 9); Weeks 9-12: Nolvadex 20mg/day; Weeks 9-10: hCG 4500 IU/5 days (3 total), Clomid 100mg/day (7days) then 50mg/day (7days) I'm gonna work out 4 mornings/week (empty stomach) with 30 minutes of post-workout cardio. 45 minutes cardio in the mornings the other 3 days (empty stomach). 5 meals a day at 40/40/20 except for the last one, which will only be protein and fat. Around 2000 cal/day total. A gallon of water/day. Sorry I couldn't post the cycle in a chart form--I couldn't figure out how to align the friggin columns. Any advice, suggestions, or criticism would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.
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Novice 
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
you shouldnt see any water retention nor should you experience any gyno symptoms on this cycle. drop the nolvadex all it will do is kill your gains. also for about $75 you could add fina for the first six weeks and get even better results. also you shouldnt need to much help getting your boys running at the end of your planned cycle since neither winny nor primo are "nut killers." you could probably drop the hcg and just stick with your clomid regimen. other wise it looks good hope it works out for you. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 355 |
ya drop the nolva and hcg for sure. Looks good. Just take clomid and high doese of tribulus fuel and you will be in great shape. ------------------ God didn't create all men equal, steroids make | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
quote: Why do you think Nolvadex will "kill my gains?" I realize that it might be unnecessary considering that neither Primo nor Win convert to estrogen in any significant amounts, but I'm really wary of water retention b/c on my last Deca-Winny cycle, my face got really puffy and it didn't look good. So, I figured Nolv would protect against this if it occured, and if not, it wouldn't really do any harm. Also, I did consider adding Finaplix, but decided not too b/c of the possible androgenic side effects (hair loss, acne, etc.). If you have used Fina, I'd be curious to know about how it worked out for you and I might reconsider adding it into this cycle. Thanks for the input. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1441 |
You really have alot going on. First off little known fact is Nolvadex is great while cutting. Yes it does hurt muscle growth a little but it helps the body cut. Now onto your post and these are only my thoughts. Your bodyfat is freakin to high for this cycle. The ECS is a great idea but take this for what its worth get the body fat down to 14% or so than try to cut. Winny at your bodyfat is a complete waste. For cutting you will not see any results with winny until your below 10%. That is a fact. Primo is to exspensive to waste so why use it at this bodyfat. My only advise is get the diet down and do the cardio and the fat burners than think about the stack you have. Had your bodyfta been lower your stack looked okay but don't waste the money diet, lose bodyfat than do this cycle. This is just my 2 cents and please don't take it as a flame as its not. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 896 |
yeah, I agree, 27%bodyfat is pretty high. I would take fina in combo with either the primo or the winny. I would also throw in T3 and along with clen/eca. That would be a good combo that would cut you up pretty well. I took fina about 3 weeks ago and I was already pretty lean (9-10%) and found myself at the end of 6 weeks being slightly tighter and leaner. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1636 |
In my opinion I wouldnt even consider the illegal drugs until you are down to between 17 & 20% bf. I am certain with hard work and a good diet possibly combined with eca you could drop down to 17%. At 27% you have high bf levels and I dont know how you were bulking before but 27% is not such a good figure to be at even when bulking up. Wait to add the drugs in there when you get down to 20 or below, Peace ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 997 |
Bro, on 27% body fat you should not consider AS. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
I was at 16% BF back in October when I started my bulking cycle of Deca & Winny (I know--not the best combo). The cycle was well planned out, but I screwed up the diet part pretty bad. I ate too much sugary shit like ice cream and cookies in the hopes that they would give me the calories I needed to grow. Well, grow I did... especially my gut! Now I'm bigger, but fat as hell. I really want to get rid of this flab before spring and I think that the only way to do it that fast is to use AS to maintain muscle while using fat-burners and severly restricting calories. I could lose this fat "naturally," but it'd take me at least 3-4 months and I'd lose all the muscle I gained on my last cycle along with it. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 388 |
Clen is to high at 200mcgs'daily!, Drop the crap triacana and replace with T-3 for last 6 weeks in common pyramid fashion, possible add some sust at small dosages for first 6 weeks. Up water to 1.5 gallons. No fruit juice or sugars and limit breads and starches. What you are trying to do is probably the toughest thing you will have ever tried. With that said I'm not saying it is impossible as plenty of guys around here can gain or drop 20 lbs in 6 weeks at will, it's just about discipline and following plan. Heavy basic movements in the gym- SQUATTING, DEADLIFTING will boost your metabolism and put on the muscle like nothing else. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
quote: I've never tried thyroid hormones and I have to admit, I'm a little scared of Cytomel. In Llewellyn's Anabolics 2000, is says something like "Triacana is definitely the choice for a beginner." Do you have experience with or empirical knowledge of Triacana being ineffective? If that's the case, I suppose I'd be able to switch to T3, albeit in conservative dosages. Does Cytomel really work that much better than Triacana? Is it safe? Thanks. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
Cuts (more like will do anything for cuts) 5'9" 195lbs at 27% bodyfat. That means you only have about 145lbs of LBM. You have some bulking cycles under your belt? What did you gain, 40lbs of fat. Your face got a little "puffy" on your deca/winny cycle, I wonder why, at 27% bodyfat your face is fat not puffy! You are worried about loosing your "hard earned" muscle by dieting, what muscle, by the sounds of it you are nothing but a big belly. Don't think of using cytomel. You shouldn't think about using any steroids or such until you learn how to train and diet properly. Your current physique is a testament that you don't have any clue what you are doing. Bulking on Ice Cream and Cookies when you are at 17%?!?! Whats the rush to get lean, got a date next week, or spring break, or some other ridiculous reason. If you get lean enough to see abs you will probably weigh 150lbs, at 5'9" you are gonna look like just another skinny kid. What the hell are you doing using steroids for bulking. At least get some base naturally. Do you even workout? Don't flame me, I must be reading something wrong. At least I hope so... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
Bump... more input please. ------------------ |
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