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 Calling All Men's Health Models
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 382 |
I've seen a lot of these posts today and I am not flaming you for what you consider an ideal body, but you don't need AAS to look like a Men's Health model. Get to the gym and clean up your diets. If you're grossly out of shape and haven't been training for more than a few years, AAS is not your answer.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 807 |
So I'm assuming you would have no problem being ........say.....6'1,210lbs and about 6%bf year round natural?..lucky you | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 382 |
No problem at all. I'm not trying to come down on anybody here at all, but to look like the Men's Health guys you definatley don't need gear. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 747 |
This post looks like bragging in disguise to me.....I gotta agree with therealj. VERY FEW people have the ability to be 210 with 6% bf naturally. The average 5'9" male would be extremely lucky to even achieve 185 with 6% bf naturally. And when I mean 6%, I'm talking near contest shape. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 382 |
Look, I only wrote this because so many people are quick to start gear without even training and knowing nothing about diet. Also, Men's Health models do not look anything like a competitve bodybuilder in contest shape. I mean do you two really think that type of body is unattainable without gear. Wake up. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 491 |
i agree that it's possilbe to achieve men's health body's naturally. But most people dont have the paitents and jump into AAS! aky ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 71 |
I agree with you 100% PerfectRep, people definately don't need AS to look like the guys in Men's Health. I look like that right now, the only reason I do AS is because I have aspirations to be a professional body builder. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
PerfectR, I agree with you totally. First I think those guys are totally bullshit, all they have are abs. Those pictures are taken after they have pumped up and still they look small. Thejai, Bchemist Very Few people can be 210 at 6% naturally. Man duh!!!!! Very Few people can get their body fat to 6% PERIOD! I think any "average" guy who does moderate exercise can look like these guys, that look is easy unless of course you don't have the dedication to stop stuffing Mickie D's in your face, | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 747 |
We have the old genetics debate on our hands again. The guys with the great genetics always get offended and defensive when anyone even hints that they have an advantage. I have trained many people in the past. Some of the athletes grow like they are on gear while eating haphazardly. One guy followed up every workout with a trip to Wendys along with a biggie size. Yet he maintained his six pack year-round. Others who I have trained lived strictly on Met-Rx, tuna, rice, and flax. Guess what...they gained maybe 3 lbs of new muscle per year and struggled to keep their bodyfat below 10% at any given time. These guys were also very strong for their size (155-170 range). So I have seen both ends of the specturm. Why is it so difficult for the genetically gifted to admit their gifts? It is possible to achieve 200 with 6%, but very few have the physiology to do this. I'm wide awake. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
I totally agree with you Bchemist. Not everyone has great genetics. I eat clean, train 6 days per week, and my bodyfat has never been below 10%. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 382 |
Bchemist, maybe you just suck as a trainer.LOL. Just kidding. Not all men are created equal and things like bone structure and skin quality does play a part. Also, not every guy is facially good looking enough to be a model. The bottom line is I really believe that the guys who are dedicated in the gym and in their diets and want to have a body comparable to a MH model can do it without gear. If they can't be happy about the improvement they've make, they either didn't train right or they didn't eat right. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 191 |
(adding to the last line of perfect reps last post)... or they have bad genetics. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
Bchemist, Genetics, well I won't go there, I believe that is a cop out. I am in no way trying to start a beef with you(by the way). Ultimaincubus, did you read my post. I'll state it again "Very Few people can get their body fat to 6% PERIOD!" So really your agreeing with me. Let me go ahead and talk about genetics I DO believe genetics play a role in PUTTING ON MASS, but to lower body fat No freakin way!!!! There are execptions of course but very few. If you understand your body, when to eat and what to eat, carb depleting and yada yada yada I don't care who you are your body will force itself to use your fat as fuel. If you think eating rice and chicken alone will do it (clean diet) then you need to research a little more and find out what your body responds too. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 351 |
I totally agree with Bchemist!!!!! G-Man | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 64 |
Goddammit, genetics are a copout. I'd like to see anyone on this board who couldn't do what I did. My brother is a skinny little twirp, and so is my father. I've been lifting for 6 years. It's simple. Eat extremely clean diets during bulking cycles to assure little fat gain. Then cut down. Do this over and over again, and you'll find that you are a men's health model. yes, and just so you know, i just started gear 2 weeks ago, and before that i was 225 with 7-9 percent bf. GENETICS ARE A COPOUT FOR NOT WANTING TO "PAY YOUR DUES." Speaking of which, i'm going to change my signature to that. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 747 |
That is an extremely paper thin argument. I've said my peace on this issue from 11 years of experience from countless people I have known who have been natural and lifted. Guys who start at 115 with thin frames almost never make it past 165 naturally no matter what they do. I've seen this dozens of times before. It is the guys who have never touched a weight, and are relatively lean at 170 easily eclipse 210 with only a couple of years under their belt. I've seen this countless times also. You are attempting an argument that has been discussed by far greater minds. If you make such an encompassing statement like the "copout" statement, you need to back it up with some kind of hard science. Why is it that ancient man had extrememly muscular physiques? Read any anthropology text and you will see that it was their genetic disposition for protein synthesis and efficiency. Did they build their muscles by bench pressing rocks? No. And the typical alpha male of a group would chase and track their hunt for up to 50 miles in a day, kill it, and then drag it back to the camp. With all of that cardio, you would expect them to look like Jim Fixx, the legandary marathon runner. But they looked more like a junior level bodybuilder. There are mesomorphs who are naturally muscular and build muscle by eating and training haphazardly. There are endomorphs who, no matter how hard they try, are unable to achieve that ripped look with paper-thin skin to go along with it. They have the ability to get lean, there is no doubt about it. But they will never be able to achieve what a meso could realistically. Finally there are ectomorphs who start out skinny with thin wrists, narrow shoulders, no visible calves, and a pigeon chest. They are able to gain some size with extreme effort and discipline, but they will never achieve what a meso could without buckets of drugs. Do you ever notice how two training partners, for example, one meso and one ecto will start a cycle togther and then compare notes....it is ALWAYS the meso who makes incredible progress, while the ecto gains only a slight amount relative to the meso. Is it because the meso is so much more disciplined? Is he more intelligent in his training? No...he is genetically gifted to be more sensitive to androgens and have a greater ability to repair tissue and hold a positive nitrogen balance. I have known plenty of training partner pairs in my time who fit this model. And guess what...initially you think the ecto is being lazy and lacking in his training. But upon closer inspection, you find that he is, by far, the more disciplined of the two. Since we have ruled all of the other factors out, all we have left is the genetic factors. So you can call it a cop-out all you want....I have seen too much to even consider your argument. But the fact is, people are vastly different and have vastly different metabolisms, hormone levels, receptor levels, and bone structures. When all those factors come together, or at least most of them, you are gifted and will grow no matter what. The rest need a little help. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 123 |
Bchemist, we are talking about apples and oranges. I am talking about losing weight, maybe I misunderstood the remarks, but I did state to PUT ON MASS genetics play a key role but not to lose weight and lower bf%. You said to get near competition level is difficult naturally 100% agree, but the other guy said "I eat clean exercise 6 days a week and can't get below 10%" I would like to know what his diet is. I say this screaming, I do not have good genetics, but I can put on or take of 20-25 pounds easily. This coming from someone who could not get past 150 for 23yrs, I studied to become a physical therapist(liberal arts major) learned what I needed and now its easy. My point is until I got educated I got frustrated and used I am a hard gainer, I don't have good genetics as excuses for the real reason which was I DIDN'T KNOW THE REAL REASON. Diet is the real key to all this. I know a few Samoans who would disagree though. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 772 |
Whoah! were did all this come from??? Ok, here's my take, "natural" vs "juiced". If you are a guy that wants to look good for women, AS are not for you, unless you are skinny bones you should be able to achieve what women like no prob. (Most girls and women think a 13" arm is huge, as long as they see muscle, they like) If you are a guy that wants to get big so people respect you more, and at the same time have the confidence that you know you can't be taken down as easily as others, then yeah, AS is probably the only option. This is where I fit in I suppose, kinda... If you are one of those that does it for the thrill of pushing your body to the limits, then you are cheating if you use AS to do so, because you are overiding your body's systems to go BEYOND your limits. If you do so for a specific sport, then "technically" you're cheating, but in reality you are not because all the other players have your same "advantage" so personally I think it makes no difference if you choose to use or not for sports. If you compete, then the same thing stated above applies here also. I think it's hypocritical to have a competition where you know everyone is juicing. Personally, I would love to be able to say that I have achieved my current size natural. ------------------
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
Genetics absolutely, positively play a significant role in one's body composition. Just like a multitude of other characteristics, muscle building and fat loss capabilities vary greatly from one person to another. Intelligence? Largely determined by genetics. Temperament? Genetics. Body's ability to alter it's own composition? Genetics again. Now, I'm not saying that genetics are the end-all-be-all of bodybuilding success, but I am saying that they contribute largely. This goes back to the age-old argument--Nature vs. Nurture--Genetics vs. Environment--discussed among psychologists, socialogist, and anthropologists for years now. Guess what? Almost everday scientists are discovering that one's genetics play a greater role than had initially been thought. Now, back to the issue at hand: Saying that ANYBODY, with proper nutrition, hard work in the gym, and discipline can look like a Men's Health model is a completely ridiculous statement... no doubt touted by those whom either themselves have stellar genetics, or by those who are just plain ignorant and uninformed about the science of the human body. Just my $0.02. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 382 |
If you have to take AAS to look like a 150-180lb Men's Health model, you have no place in the gym. These guys have what 14-16in arms and neck, chest are 38-40? This is a fucking joke. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
genetics..... If you diet down to 6% and you have no muscle you aint gonna look like a fitness model.you will look like another skinny guy with a 6 pack. being an ectomorph sucks period I have never weighed 225 @7-9%bf. Bchemist is right with out gear I would probably never break 165lbs. mesomorphs just carry more muscle with out evertouching a weight .If I dont forcefeed myslf I lose muscle even at 31 years old when the metabolism supposed to have slowed down ------------------ |
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