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 JUST STARTED MY FIRST CYCLE, IT'S BIG!!
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Cool Novice 
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I just started my first cycle, it is: -1000mg sust for 6 weeks, 750mg for week 7 and 500mg for week 8 I also have noilvadex which I will start taking with the hcg, unless needed before but I doubt it because of the arimidex. I also have 65 winny amps and 30 more primo amps but I wasa going to save them until before the summer.     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 354 |
kaboom... you'll be in ICU by week 5! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 137 |
That's an awesome first cycle. Some people will say that it's too much, but at least your not doing an all oral cycle or a Deca Dick only cycle! You have done your research and will without a doubt be greatly rewarded. Good luck bro! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
what the hell are you thinking. let me guess. your 18. lay back on the dose....... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
I'm telling you, HOMEBOY is SERIOUS! Yea, I know you all think it's a lot for his first cycle, but you have to admit that it's surprisingly well planed out! Don't forget he has a lot armidex and nolva so he shouldn't have many side effects. I only hope that he knows how to train and eat as well as he can plan out cycles otherwise it will be a total waste of time, money and juice. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
Hey Organon Canon, It really doesn't matter how much shit you take on your first cycle tough guy, you are still and always will be a pussy!!! So you ought to think about maybe lifting weights with that cycle, it helps  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
Your 1st cycle? What's your address and what time do you leave for work? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 376 |
WOW! That's alot for a first cycle.I do agree with your use of HCG and clomid post-cycle though.You should really start small and see how your body reacts. You can always SLOWLY increase the dosages as time goes on.You could possibly run the risk of being psychologically convinced you need to take alot of juice when you go on cycle,thus increasing your chances for negative side effects Good Luck with whatever you decide,Oh,and by the way,You should get a blood test before you start,then get one halfway into your cycle,to see how your body is handling all that. In terms of liver stress,cholesterol levels,and kidney function. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 34 |
You got balls dude crazy cycle take come before and after pics id like to see what 1000mgs of sust will do to a newbie to gear. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Yea, take some before and after pics; show Bill Phillips how it's done! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 31 |
He might as well skip the high protein diet storys he going to tell his buddys at the gym!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 70 |
way to much for your 1st time bro...but of course your not gonna listen...i did 250mg.of sos..(organon redi-jecks)..for 10 weeks..and gained 30lbs...off it..and alot of strenght man if this really is your first cycle..than only do one..(like the sos.at 500mg a week for 10.)..and save the rest for another cycle 3 months down the road..WTF r u rich or something man...how do u afford all that? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Wow. jumping right into the deep end to learn to swim huh? Best of luck to you. i cant wait to see these pics. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 138 |
Dan Duchaine advocated taking no less than 600mg of test your first time out. Eat and train like mad and post before/after pics. Good luck! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Duchaine died from his crazy theories. We learned a lot from him. But his advice is not for everyone... but advanced the science of hard core BB. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
Damn d00d, ur going to grow. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 138 |
Dan Duchaine died from a congenital disease, not from roids. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 881 |
Myomorph, many of those gurus say that you are wasting your money and your time with anything less than 1 gram of test per week. I assume they are talking about newbies too. Who knows though! -TG | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 583 |
Bro, dont listen for a first cycle with a sustenon base, 750mg-1000mg is good. Since it is long acting and you really aren't going to get but maybe 500mg of testosterone in your blood at one time. I think to keep your levels steady i would take 1 shot of sustenon eod. Thats the equivalent of 1000mg/wk. But now you will be optimizing the sustenon so that the prop and the phenyl prop are actually giving you benefits. Definately consider going that route, i wishi had my first cycle. Now i learned. I would also not taper the dbol. I have found a good dosage is 40mg/wk for 5 weeks. The Primo looks good. With this cycle you wont need the HCG, but you will need the clomid. As for the arimidex, you wont need 1 tab eod. Try 1/4 tab every day for the first week, then move to 1/4 tab eod. That will be enough. On my 1000mg suspension 500mg enanthate cycle i used only 1/4 tab..IT works fine | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 103 |
Since you are taking 6 times more drugs that I do on my first cycle, and I am already up 25 pounds, I think you will gain at least 150 pounds in five weeks. Sarcastic way of saying "Man, that is a lot of drugs" | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 583 |
Alright if you guys knew so much about roids then prove it... But the opinions you gave have no information. You blindly state what you have Heard. If you guys knew anything you would realize as i said before half of that test goes to waste. The phenyl prop and the prop are almost ineffective. Thats why sust takes 3 weeks to kick in. Do some research guys... That was exactly my first cycle, and it wasnt a waste | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 982 |
enjoy it | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 1 |
Dude, Get yourself a freehost website and post your pics after each week. Make sure your buddy takes that last set before and after you explode ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
Thanks for the input guy's. I have already gone to get my blood checked and I am very healthy. I am also planning on getting them every 2 weeks during the cycle. I will be doing the sust eod because of the prop, and phenlprop. The only reason why I am taking so much arimidex is because I am not sure how my body will react and it's better to be safe then sorry. I already have a before pic, I am taking 2 pics a month, I will post them all at the end, I just need to get access to a scanner. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1087 |
I like it and there is nothing insane about 1000mg/wk of test. Nor is there anything crazy about 30mg of dbol. Happy growing. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 11 |
O.C, This is going to be interesting! I can't wait to see the pix!!!! Good Luck, SBD | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
Would it be worth it to take some proviron at the end to harden up? | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 6253 |
My question is what are you going to do for your second cycle? Rugby, I have plenty of experience and I am sure you know how I feel about this cycle (so the brother have the right idea when they criticize). | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
My second cycle is going to be: - 400mg primo for 7 weeks, then one week at 200mg | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
man, you are asking for trouble...why risk serious injury or death when you can start out slowly? i think trying a cycle like this as your first is a sign of some deeper issues with yourself. i think the after pix will be from the coroner's office. -doc ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
u are kidding me right? 1000 mg of test is gonna kill a first timer? dumb, u guys are killing me, i know that alot agree that is alot for a novice, hell, im on my first at 750 sus and 600 first week 400 after weeks of deca, is that too drastic?? ummmm, no yo O. Canon, grow like a f@cking weed and shut them up, 3 shots of sus a week for me and 1 shot of deca, that is pussy shit, cant wait to be close to conan's cycle when i can grow horns and shit..... grow muthaf@cka grow!!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
that's what i thought!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
You'll have dam stroke in week two or three if u use that. If your lucky the least that will happen is that you'll start ot feel like you have the flu and spend three or four days in bed and realize you've overdosed yourself big time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 108 |
stop being babies. good cycle bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
The only person that's going to die or have a stroke is you when you see his before and after pics!! LOL ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
Thanks for the input guy's! I have already started the cycle so there is no turning back. The majority seem to know what they are talking about, and tell me that a gram of test is not too much. I am a personal trainer and have many freinds that juice a lot, I know what I am doing. As for the guy's that think I will die, well I am glad you are concerned about a fellow BB, j/k! I will get the coroner to send you pics, LOL! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 967 |
Yes..you do know what you are doing..you'll be fine but I hope you saved some coin for a new wardrobe..good luck bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 148 |
For real...rethink your doses. Why take all that your first time when you will gain 25 lbs from 250 of sust/week and dbol the first 4 weeks. Those doses you gave are stupid and dangerous for a beginner. Health first. y6ou want to be able to do another cycle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 185 |
I'm a novice to this game, and don't have half the knowledge that alot of members here have, and I won't pretend I do with my advice...but, I have been reading and researching this board for a year now. From the facts that you are 178lbs, and this is your first cycle, I think you are asking for a trip to the hospital from some bad sides. Most people could use your additional drugs like Primo and dbol to make an entire cycle, let alone with 1000mg of test. Like 2thick said, what the hell are you going to use for a second cycle-2 grams of test? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 177 |
Yea bro get realistic, Mail some of that stuff over here Mass Monster | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
i was just kidding about your chances of dying from this dose, but what IF you have a pre-existing condition that you are not aware of...say like mitral valve prolapse? anyway, get ready for some hardcore hypogonadism!!!!hope this cycle gets you where you want to be...however, judging by your aggressive cycle, i'd say that you will not be satisfied with any result....more, more, more! keep us posted on your progress...we should start calling you Ogre, cause thats what you will look like!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
Is it too late to stop you from using DNP for your second cycle? You really don't like your body, do you. What a coincidence. I am about the same size as you. I plan to do a lighter cycle, but even at that, stacking 2-3 steroids it won't be all that light. I expect to gain 15-20 lbs. Good luck. Don't take DNP. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
Here is beter cycle for this guy.... 1000 pills anadrol 100 ius insulin hourly 100 ius gh hourly 500 mg test suspension daily Also Eat all the syringes and bottles as they will undoubtebly add more weight. The body has trouble processing stuff like plastic and if your lucky itll get stuck in you gi. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
hahahahahaha. dcs is great | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 967 |
WTF??? This is one of the best thought out cycles I have ever seen here and the people flaming this guy haven't done the research which he has. Sure, he could have gained 25lbs off of a lighter cycle, but who's to say that he won't gain 40 or 50lbs with this one? Anyone here remember Ssman? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Looks massive cycle to me. I think u will look massive too after 2 months. Good luck! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 108 |
Well thought out cycle.People who try to scare you into thinking you are doing too much are buying into all that media propaganda bullshit.Go for it,and good Luck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 168 |
Bro, OK im gonna tear your cycle apart and suggest a new one...! OK i think it is a bad idea doing d'bol for 6 weeks i would do it for 4 and why are you doing primo...? It's a pile of poop use some deca instead..!
=======D'bol====Deca====Sust=====Clomid You will gain more if you drop the primo and use deca instead give the primo away or sell it. If your gonna do a big cycle for your first dont go captain insain-o more AS do not always = more gain's The above cycle is probably more than you really need but its your choice but you will be wasting most of it in your cycle...! Also you should take it easy when using as try a little you may have a reaction to them if you are doing 1000mg's and have a reaction you could be in shit start low and work up you will know how much you need and how much you can do with SAFETY....! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1308 |
EXACTLY Rugby!!!! 4 amps of Sust or Omna does NOT add up to 1000 of test at one time. That is the reason so many people are trying the amp a day deal. An amp of sust or Omna a day for the first three weeks to load and then taper down to 3 or 4 amps a week. That would keep that high level of test that everyone claims they have. Trust me! Three amps or 4 amp does not equal to 750 or 1000 of test! For a first cycle, you have to blast those virgin receptors on the first. I wish I did, instead of my wimpy d-bol, winny, Eq. I made gains, but not like a buddy of mine who did his first cycle with sust. suspension, d-bol. He did two amps and a shot of suspension EOD. He popped the d-bols like candy. He went from 178 to 215!!!! He stopped after 3 months and lost about 15-20 pounds only! That is what a first cycle should be! Blast those receptors and grow huge! | ||
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Novice
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What about things like acne, I am not as well versed on gear as everyone else here is but I just finished up my first cycle which included alot less Test and had myh face breakout granted it is not anything hideous but I was only using about half the testosterone you are using. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 583 |
Dahmer and Krusherknows whats going on. To all of you who think that is ridiculous, you are all amateurs. Well, except 2thick, but you dont like the high test cycles... Anyway, whoever said it was bad, needs to do some more research. Why be conservative? Sustenon is a great first cycle at 1g, then you can move your next cycle to 800mg test per week. Or 2/1 sust shots eod. Great cycle. | ||
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Freak 
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Risk death???? What the fuck is that. Let's keep our responses sensible and not just post anything that comes to you. I have yet to see ANYONE EVER overdose of test! NEVER!!!! Bad acne, EXTREME rage, and lots of bloat are the only drawbacks. You will not die, just grow alot! Test does not kill anyone. D-bol will not kill you unless you take a few hundred a day for a few months! That would cause some serious problems. Deca in my opinion sucks. At least Brovel Nor200. It made me break out real bad. The Omna I just finished was good. This was my first cycle with test. I blasted three amps a week for 10 weeks then tapered for 3 more weeks. 2, 2, 1. I was 219 at my peak and now 1.5 months later I am still 214!!! Granted I went back on the creatine, but I still retained most of it. Next time it is an amp a day and hopefully 230-240!!!! | ||
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Freak
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quote: Please explain to me which one of those drugs is going to put him in the Intense Care Unit? Is this the 1000mgs of test? or the 30mgs of dbol that is going to be tapered down to 15mgs on the 6th wk and then stopped? or Is it the 400mgs of primo/wk? Where is this logic coming from bro? He has everything he needs in there to help with sides associated with higher doses.------------------ [This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited January 26, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 575 |
First off I commend you Organon, you have researched and planned this cylce out very wisely, but for someone other than yourself considering this is the FIRST.
1)Experience is the key to everything in life. You can read a medical journal 100x front to back and still not be a doctor. You can go to med school for ten yrs and still not really know what is going on completely. 2)Think about the doses that you will have to take in the future because you started out so high. 3)Why take this much when you don't have to? 4)I took and know several people who only took 250 mg/test their first cycle and the gains ranged from 15(myself) to 25lbs. 5)This kind of dosing is not needed on the first cycle. No I don't think you will die off of it, but I do think you are making a very unwise decision! Oh yeah: check out Boulderbis' post and read how much test he has taken and then look at him....he he A quote from Boulder Bis: "Supraman, it was only my second cycle ever. That's not even considered one from what most of these other guys take. I talked to Jay Cutler one time in St. Louis at a show. He said too many guys(especially young ones) depend on it before they've ever built a base. If you have been lifting for years like I have without it, it'll definitely work better later when and if you do decide to use it and you won't need ungodly amounts."
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 437 |
I like it! I wish I would have done something like that for my first cycle. But if you're planning to do the DNP DURING your cycle, you'd be better off waiting till after it. It's pretty hard to workout when you feel like shit. Good luck, and don't forget to post the pics. | ||
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Freak
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quote: WTF.......Please explain to me what is going to give him the stroke in a week or two???? As my friend up above said, keep the answers real. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 347 |
dont be selfish, share some. you got enough to kill a horse. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
eat a horse a day, lift a horse a day, and shoot more sus a day than you can handle, thats what i say
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 575 |
First off I commend you Organon, you have researched and planned this cylce out very wisely, but for someone other than yourself considering this is the FIRST. THE REASON I THINK THIS IS OVERKILL FOR A FIRST CYCLE: 1)Experience is the key to everything in life. You can read a medical journal 100x front to back and still not be a doctor. You can go to med school for ten yrs and still not really know what is going on completely. 2)Think about the doses that you will have to take in the future because you started out so high. 3)Why take this much when you don't have to? 4)I took and know several people who only took 250 mg/test their first cycle and the gains ranged from 15(myself) to 25lbs. 5)This kind of dosing is not needed on the first cycle. No I don't think you will die off of it, but I do think you are making a very unwise decision! Oh yeah: check out Boulderbis' post and read how much test he has taken and then look at him....he he A quote from Boulder Bis: "Supraman, it was only my second cycle ever. That's not even considered one from what most of these other guys take. I talked to Jay Cutler one time in St. Louis at a show. He said too many guys(especially young ones) depend on it before they've ever built a base. If you have been lifting for years like I have without it, it'll definitely work better later when and if you do decide to use it and you won't need ungodly amounts."
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Freak
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quote: 2 Days ago it was 15lbs up, now it is 25lbs, damn 10lbs in 2 days on 250mgs of sust. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4849 |
GoodLuck with it grow Like a Weed And get your sleep | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 103 |
Iron_game, was that a pathetic attempt to flame me? Should you first get your facts straight before you flame someone? Please look at my previous posts, before you jump into flamings, ok? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
Look man, I'm not the most experienced when it comes to AS... I've only done one relatively mild Deca-Winny cycle. However, I would not do this cycle simply b/c I think you're gonna look like shit at the end. Sure, you'll be huge (muscle AND water), but you're gonna look like a pimple-faced, pillsbury dough boy with nuts the size of green peas. I don't know about you, but one thing really important to me is what chicks think... I don't think there are many girls that would like your after pics better better than your befores. But, it's your body...your decision... I wish you luck. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 111 |
Is this entirely too much for a first cycle? I don't think so, but reasonable people can differ on that point. Is it reckless? No. Absolutely, objectively not. These dire health warnings and predictions of coroner's office visits are utterly amazing to me! I defy anyone to explain in a reasoned, substantiated fasion, how 1000 mg/wk Test and 400 mg/wk Primo can put an otherwise healthy young man's life in danger. The warnings of excessive water retention are silly, too. Arimidex will take care of that, no problem. There may be some acne as result of this, and perhaps some hairloss, but nothing disasterous. OC, good luck on your cycle. You seem to have done your homework pretty well. I will offer you three suggestions, for what they are worth: 1. I definitely wouldn't taper the Dianabol. I think this was previously mentioned by someone, above. It is an oral with a very short half-life, and tapering will not accomplish anything. I would just pick a reasonable dose and stay with it. 2. I would pass on the HCG. 3. I would take more Clomid at the end, just in case. I'd take every day what you were going to take eod. My motto with Clomid is, "Better safe than sorry." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Too much for first cycle. Good luck with your liver. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Too much for first cycle. Good luck with your liver. | ||
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Freak
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quote: How will all that screw up his liver? What the 30mgs of dianabol/wk tapering down to less than 20mgs at the end of the 6th week? Most people all add dbol in their first cycle. This will not screw up his liver. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
All the guys who are laughing aty the posts that say this cycle poses serious healkth risks have eithner never used high doses of steroids, they just like to read alot, or they've taken so much crap over the years that their bodies don't work anymore and need to be wacked with a sledge hammer just to feel anything. Remeber everyone is different. I personally have made tremendous gains off low cycles, under 500mg per week enathate. Than again I ve never weigghed over 215 and don't care too. One time I used alot of test, a combination of suspension and enanthae, and my visdion got so blurry I couldn't even see. No way I was goijng to train with the stiff neck, awful headache and numb spaced out feeling it produced. I could hardly even get out of bed to eat! I ended up takig a month off because of that cycle. Hey maybea Im to sensitive for some of uyou guys but I feel it my responsibility to report my experience to this guy and any others reading this sthey knows that dangers do exist. This stuff is not candy. Even if you don't die, which of course most likely you certtaintly won't unless you have a pre existing conmdition, yoo will be screwing with your health, blood pressure up, cholesterol screwed up as all hell, and who really knows what else. Why risk it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
first of all, iron game, is that all you can do condescending everyone's remarks about this silly first cycle? if you would read my second post you will see where i stated that he is not likely to die form this cycle. it was an attempt at humor..so sorry it didnt fit your description! i have seen the effects of anabolic steroid abuse because i am a resident in emergency medicine at UT Southwestern Medical Center here in Dallas. i do not doubt your experience and knowledge in this field, however, different people react differently to high doses of drugs. i couldn't really care less about his choice of drug-use. it's his choice, but in my opinion it will be a waste. he has enough for 2 good cycles, that was my point... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 281 |
Ok, nice but...Get ready for stretch marks and be prepared just incase you snap a tendon. Remember steroids strengthen muscles not tendons and ligiments. Careful dood. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 958 |
give this guy some credit. At least his goal is not "men's health model." Just be careful to cover up some when you lift. If not you might lose your job as a trainer since it will be so obvious you are juicing. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 746 |
Come over to Ulters board with your cycle. You will be welcomed with open arms. I absolutely love your cycle. It is obvious to me that you have done your research and realize that it only the minority who make dramatic gains on anything less than 800mg of test per week. Since this board has a syndrome of bad advice given by those yet to cycle, I would say that you should ignore the nay-sayers. I have personally used 1800mg of test per week stacked with 70mg of d-bol. I had no sides, and my natural test came back just as rapidly as it did when on 500mg per week. [This message has been edited by Bchemist (edited January 26, 2001).] |
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posted January 24, 2001 10:39 PM
