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" That which does not kill me, will make me stronger"

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JohnnyD

Do we have studies on 17aa drugs available.

But I am just giving advice from years of experience.

Inject an injectable and ingest an oral.

I would not take injectable fina, ref-b or winny orally.

When a stanozolol (Winstrol) pill is digested, it is quickly dissolved -- it is not time released. I don't know of any steroid product that is time released. If you take Winstrol depot orally, it essentially works the same way. First, it's the same drug as the tablets -- there is nothing chemically different about it. Also, when the drug was first developed, it was meant as an oral drug. (I feel like a broken record here I've said this so many times...) Then, the only difference between the tablet and the depot orally is that the depot will be absorbed a little faster by the body since there is no pill to dissolve by the stomach acids.

I've said this once, I guess I'll say it again: stanozolol was made as an injectible for two purposes:

1. For veterinary purposes -- it's much easier to give a horse, cow, pig, etc. an injection than trying to get them to eat a pill.
   
2. For emergency medicine. Stanozolol is commonly provided for victims of major burns, and since a burn victim cannot swallow a pill, an injection is made.
   

Drink the winny, drink the winny, DRINK THE WINNY!!

1. I can control the dosing better. I can take stanazolol orally several times a day versus the daily injection.
   
2. Stanazolol is not esterified, so it is used by the body quite readily. Most of the drug is metabolized in four hours. Therefore, your body goes through that rollercoaster effect of drug levels.
   

Did I mention you are my idol

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Originally posted by GymRatSD:
This only goes to show the type of response some people have to drugs when they don't know the pharmacology behind them.

When a stanozolol (Winstrol) pill is digested, it is quickly dissolved -- it is not time released. I don't know of any steroid product that is time released. If you take Winstrol depot orally, it essentially works the same way. First, it's the same drug as the tablets -- there is nothing chemically different about it. Also, when the drug was first developed, it was meant as an oral drug. (I feel like a broken record here I've said this so many times...) Then, the only difference between the tablet and the depot orally is that the depot will be absorbed a little faster by the body since there is no pill to dissolve by the stomach acids.

I've said this once, I guess I'll say it again: stanozolol was made as an injectible for two purposes:

1. For veterinary purposes -- it's much easier to give a horse, cow, pig, etc. an injection than trying to get them to eat a pill.
   
2. For emergency medicine. Stanozolol is commonly provided for victims of major burns, and since a burn victim cannot swallow a pill, an injection is made.
   

[b]Drink the winny, drink the winny, DRINK THE WINNY!!

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It seems that all of the members of that other board feel like people on this board are idiots just for having a different opinion. If you feel that way then stay there and enjoy...don't come here and insult.

We know the chemical structure is the same and how it reacts in tablet (and liquid form) but you do not take into consideration the dilution of the liquid form once ingested and other details that may interfere with the process.

I know it is the same steroid....I just say inject it the liquid.

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Originally posted by 2Thick:

It seems that all of the members of that other board feel like people on this board are idiots just for having a different opinion. If you feel that way then stay there and enjoy...don't come here and insult.

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2Thick:

This comment wasn't necessary and frankly it really suprised me that you would say something like that!

I for one respect others opinions inlcuding yours. That is why I post and read this and other boards.

I am sure many members from the "other" board also respect you and your opinions. You can't generalise like that.

2Thick you know you are very welcomed on that board.

I also went forth and explained my justifications. As a pharmaceutical chemist, I understand the pharmacology of many drugs. If I were just insulting someone, I wouldn't have to explain myself.

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Originally posted by GymRatSD:
Let's see here... I don't recall "insulting" anyone. I was just stating that some people have a narrow-minded focus (is that insulting?) when it comes to pharmaceuticals. There's more to just "if it's liquid, shoot it, if it's a tablet, swallow it!"

I also went forth and explained my justifications. As a pharmaceutical chemist, I understand the pharmacology of many drugs. If I were just insulting someone, I wouldn't have to explain myself.

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Maybe you cannot see what I am writing from your high horse, but there was much more to your misquote than you make it out to be.

Just because I would rather inject an injectable (or advising against drinking it)does not make me ignorant of its chemical structure...

There is a difference. I am very proud that we have a pharmaceutical chemist on the board to learn from but that is no reason to assume other members do not have access to the same information as you have.

Which leads me to my question - what is the highest dosage Winny tabs come in - I've seen 2mg and 5mg. I need to take 50mg winny ED for 5 weeks in an upcoming cycle - i don't want to go broke! Any ideas?

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Originally posted by 2Thick:
Code,

Yes, It is possible to feel the affects of any 17AA but Winny depot is in liquid form. Therefore, the properties of the drug MAY react differently than the tab form.

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So what about the powdered winny? Do you think that for some reason it's more effective in a capsule rather than in water?

Just curious and a little baffled.

If you dilute the powder in sterile solution then you have the injectable.

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Originally posted by 2Thick:
There is a difference. I am very proud that we have a pharmaceutical chemist on the board to learn from but that is no reason to assume other members do not have access to the same information as you have. [/B]

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There have been tons of information provided on this board and others concerning the validity of taking Winstrol Depot orally. There is no information that I have access that others do not. It's just a simple matter of learning about the drug before using the method I stated above.

If you took it as insulting, then I'm sorry. I truly am. But people need to know (reason they are on these boards hopefully to learn) there's more to a drug designed for oral adminstration regardless of the delivery vehicle. This goes for Winstrol (stanozolol), dianabol, or any other 17-aa steroid available.

I am not debating whether it is effective orally (theoretically speaking) but rather the advantages of injecting versus ingesting the liquid.

I feel the trip trough gastro-entricular system will inhibit some of its affect due to dilution and lack of absorbtion.

Don't worry, you did not insult me. This is the internet...we are all just anonymous guys typing away on keyboards. I like the debate

When I first suggested that Winstrol suspension could be taken orally you said that it would "not work" and that "it had a different chemical structure". Understandable given that such was gym lore, but also unfortunate as a perpetuation of an incorrect myth.

The Idea that absorption of tablets would be better than liquid (within the gastro-intestinal tract)is slightly off kilter(wrong). In fact it would seem that liquid delivery systems are in many cases better for oral drugs as many manufacturers have lately found. Tablets, depending on compression and fillers, may pass THROUGH the digestive system being only partially dissolved- tablets are cheaper to make than gel tabs and gel caps that is why they are used.

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MP

Macro, you are correct that I once said those words but I quickly corrected myself once I took a glance at their chemical structure (actually about 2 seconds after I posted those words).

Liquid absrobtion has yet to be investigated when it comes to steroids, so when you say my theory is wrong, you are also being theoretical.

Seriously though. 2Thick, when you talk about whether or not the winny's effectiveness is compromised by being diluted in the stomach...I have a point I'd like you to expound on for me.

----> When you drink a protein shake, is the effectiveness of the protein affected by the other things (i.e. gasto-intestinal juices, other food and drink) present in the stomach? Are the effects of IV administered nutrition not as effective OR more effective than orally consuming them? Do you believe that when winny is injected, it is the ONLY thing circulating within your muscle fibers, so it won't be "diluted" so to speak? Does a 50mg winny tab lose some effectiveness because it's a tab?

There are many things in your body, and each one's relative effectiveness may rely somewhat on other factors and chemicals in your body, however, 50mg of winny, whether it be intermuscularly administered, or consumed orally, is still 50mg of winny.

...bd

next..dilution will only help absorption...if you get 150mg in 3 mls or if you get 150 in a cup....you will still get 150 mg....i say drink it because you can take it multiple times a day and split dosages without shooting 3 times a day...YET...I HAVE NEVER INJECTED WINNY SO I CAN NOT SAY THAT IT IS BETTER OR WORSE...

(me looking very shocked)

Macro posted....

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" That which does not kill me, will make me stronger"

He keeps things interesting.

I wish I had a bottle of Stanazoic for everytime this topic came up.

but I will say this: Deca Suck!!! j/k!!

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I don�t understand why every time that 2Thick says something there are a lot of people fighting with him. And I mean fighting because most of the time you don�t argue, you insult and shit. I hate it.
It doesent matter if 2Thick is right or not, he has his opinions, if you want to folow him you are welcome, if not just don�t do it. There is no need to descalificate. All you are showing is a lack of confidence on what you�re saying, if you were secure about you thoughts, show your point of wiew and that�s all. Some people will followw, some won�t. That�s life, everybody has there own criteria.