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Freak 
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I have a little q for that powerful mind of yours.     | ||
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Freak
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Can I watch? ------------------ | ||
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Guru 
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Hit me  | ||
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Freak
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LOL I can ask you as well bro. Ok here goes. Take a person doing 250mgs of testosterone enanthate for 8 wks. Now in 250mgs of enanthate there is 180mgs of raw testosterone. Now forgive my ignorance but this is on par with natural levels of test is it not? SO basically what that person would be doing is shutting down natural production after approximately 2 weeks and substituting it with the synthetic testosterone. The tricky part is that people who claim to have used 250mgs of test whether it be enanthate, cypionate or sust say they gained 15lbs of muscle. Surely this can only be attributed to the placebo affect no? Peace ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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No offence Ulter I know your mind is just as powerful. In fact I learn a lot from yourself, Huck and Slopain as well as a few other knowledgable members. peace | ||
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Guru
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Yes and no.Some people may be producing extremely low testosterone levels to begin with,and this low of an amount to them could mean saturation.In such a case,results for that particular individual would be fairly dramatic.As well,others may not shut down their own production(or be only partly inhibited) off test at such low dosages,and then what you have is a "pile on" effect of both exogenous and indogenous test flowing through the bloodstream and working its magic towards growth.The latter scenario of course doesn't happen very frequently,but I have had friends who weren"t suppressed completely on 250mgs/week of sust,and they made very good gains(I certainly don't fall into that category,haha)...Just a couple of possibilities there...And of course the third is what you stated,PLACEBO,which can be very powerful indeed... | ||
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Freak
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Thank you Sir, now when you say some people, are you referring to older individuals or are you talking about people in general, because natural test levels among many users (teens) are significantly higher than with older individuals. Although you stated you have a few friends, am i right in assuming they are no longer teens or would that be a wrong assumption to make. Personally, but this is just my way of thought, do not see the point in any individual running test under 350mgs/wk. I do agree at that level natural test may not be totally inhibbited but the natural levels nonetheless will drop no?
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Freak
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I agree with Huck. There are too many variables to answer this with any certainty. A guy 40 years old whose natural level is 50 (exp) will not gain as much as a guy how is 21 whose level is 400 (exp) and is full of himself..er.. ah I mean is full of his own test. And like Huck says your natural levels play a big part as do your genetics. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Most of my friends that were having blood work done were in their twenties...But I agree with you,if I'm going to be gambling with shutting my own production down,I'm going to be doing it with a dosage that is going to have me growing rapidly,not teetering on "being slightly over normal production"... | ||
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Freak
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Ulter, I do agree with Huck as well for the most part...Who wouldn't have ya seen the size of him...j/k However what I am trying to establish is that intense training increases natural test levels, younger people have higher test levels (in general) eating the right kind of foods also helps increase test levels, as does a mixture of some vitamins and minerals. The point I am getting at is many first time users come on here and post there cycles (from the post it is evident they are young, no disrespect to young people) and they utilise something like 250mgs for 8 wks of sust or anadrol for 14 days. The reason, in my opinion is because lack of research and being scared about sides if they go any higher. I remember my first cycle consisted of dbol and a mere 3 amps of sust. You may ask why I did that. Simple because I was under researched, looked to the drug for an answer to all my problems and was worried about using anything above it. Anyway sorry to side track but my point is why would it be beneficial for a first time user to use 180mgs of raw test alone stacked with nothing and expect to get as big as arnie... I am quite sure such a user could gain just as much naturally once diet and everything else is in place than on 250mgs / wk. I also agree genetics has much to do with it. However one should turn to steroids when they have reached natural limit and if you look at it like this then 250mgs wont do too much to there already very powerfully sized body. Peace and you 2 guys are great | ||
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Freak
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People like myself, Huck, slopain, Krusher, E2 and on and on have all been trying to get this very message across on this and other boards for a while now. 250mg is a waste. The problem is that there are others (one mod in particular) on the board who preach against using enough test to really grow. Most people would rather take what they then believe to be the "safe" route and end up wasting their cycle. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Now,who could this mysterious mod be?  | ||
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Freak
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Is it a Deca lover by any chance? | ||
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Guru
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Huck check your mail when tou get a chance Thanks! | ||
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Freak
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I ain't singin'. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Genetics, genetics, your cells have a pre-determined capacity to allow the steroid molecules through their membrane and to ultimately use these hormones to increase protein synthesis. I agree that you might as well saturate the hell out of the membrane with over 250mg. First of all, I would assume that the sheer greater concentration gradient outside the cells of MORE test would allow more to go inside. Second, if your maximal ability to make protein is pre-determined you might as well milk it for all it's worth. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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The longer you have been been following this lifestyle, the more you realize that higher dosages are inevitable. Something at around 750mg MIGHT push you to 20-30lb of PURE LBM if you have average to above average genetics. Guys with great genetics will do incredible on small doses. But if your mission statement is to be extraordinary, you need extraordinary doses (1000mg+ per week). I have definitely wasted my time using 500mg per week. I will never again go below 1000mg. Like Ulter said, the vets who have been around the longest (with one glaring exception) will advocate higher doses. This advice comes from experience. |
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posted January 24, 2001 12:39 PM
