I put this in bold only because I know we will see a hundred of posts when the slander starts, asking if ttokkyo is legit again. Competition is a very good thing, but not when mud-slinging and lies are resorted to.

Use your own head, don't be a sheep. Listen to the unbiased objective opinions and the opinions of those who have used the products personally

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

Ttokkoy very bad... don't use it... will make you Loose muscle - a mistake in the manufacturing process put cortisone in the test bottles!!!

Bwahhhhaaaaaa - cortisone in test bottles.... gads, I'm killing my self. LOL

------------------
LAte

When things like this happen, it makes me avoid the products of the company making the allegations. In this case, it's Denkall. In fact, I haven't had to buy anything by them in a long time -- thank you Ttokkyo!

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

------------------

The other, better board...

To the board: Just remember what I said in this post up there, and in the future refer to it. When the "sky is falling".

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

I just do not like the fact that an item I know is good (I used it) is being trashed...Hey Willy stop being a hater man!!! LOL!!!

BIZ!!

------------------
DON'T HATE THE PLAYER.....HATE THE GAME!!!!!!!!

GET BIG GUY'S!!!!!!!!!

Good info...........bump!

I just visited the site for the first time in a while to notice they now have a banner touting "Check out the pics of the Ttokkyo fakes!"

Get off of it, boys! You know the gear is good! It's called competition.

This low-brow tactics used by whomever it is that runs that horrible site only discourages me from ever picking up a Denkall product.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Slopain:
[b]I was informed from a very reliable and knowledgable source - that in the next few months there will be an even dirtier attack waged specifically on the ttokkyo brand from a few 'competitors'. I wouldn't be suprised to see some forged test results either (only because until they have any kind of verifiable documents no one believes them anyways), just a heads up to you all. The competition in this market hasn't appeared to be very honest unfortunetly.

I put this in bold only because I know we will see a hundred of posts when the slander starts, asking if ttokkyo is legit again. Competition is a very good thing, but not when mud-slinging and lies are resorted to.

Use your own head, don't be a sheep. Listen to the unbiased objective opinions and the opinions of those who have used the products personally

[/B]

---

You are 100% correct Slopain- I have heard the exact same information from some very well-informed individuals too. Actually, some people knew almost 2 months ago that certain people/websites & supposedly even one soon to be released magazine were going to go after ttokkyo with fake lab tests showing the products were dirty and/or underdosed...and sure enough, I'm sure we've all seen the extremely questionable tests (I'm being nice here, I know for a fact those products weren't tested) posted by "titan/drew" which are endorsed by one particular website...It just so happens that the owner of that website is also coming out with a product(s) that is in direct competition with a product Ttokkyo will be releasing shortly. And from what I've heard, the website owner's product is going to be heavily marketed/endorsed in this "new" magazine... The same magazine that plans on testing ttokkyo's products (hmmm...can you say "conflict of interest?").

It's all good though. Stuff like this will keep a company like Ttokkyo on their toes...If a company knows in advance that they're going to be slandered, they can take pre-emptive measures to ward off any and all false accusations, which Ttokkyo has. From what I know, sometime this year Ttokkyo labs will start having their products lab tested by a reputable US-based company, as well as continuing to have their products independently tested in Mexico. And on top of that they are also going to make available the names(contact information) of independent laboratories in nuevo laredo, mexicali, tijuana, and other parts of mexico- where farmers/shoppers can personally have their products tested, and that means any product- not just ttokkyo's stuff. Seems like a lot of effort to go through for a company who "supposedly" makes underdosed & dirty stuff.

So in the future when you see tests being endorsed by "respected vets" showing the ttokkyo products are not what they claim to be- ask yourself 3 questions: 1. "does the person testing these products have a vested interest in hurting ttokkyo's reputation?" meaning, will they gain something by putting ttokkyo in a negative light?.. #2. "will any individual be able to duplicate the test at the same facility" meaning, will we be able to send our gear to the same lab to verify the test results?..and #3. "will any information regarding the lab who tested ttokkyo's products be made available to those who'd like to call and verify the results?"..The answers: Yes, No & No...

Last thing... Look at these quotes (I won't post names), all by the same person who claims ttokkyo is a great company & he also happens to be the person behind all of these forthcoming ttokkyo tests..Ask yourself this, does he really sound impartial?

>>>"100mg/ml (ttokkyo stanazolol) is going to clog even the biggest pin. I would ONLY use this stuff orally unless you dig 19g darts or something."

>>>"I have no doubt ttokkyo will this 100mg/ml stano and it will be totally legit. But if you want to inject it? YYYEEEOOOOOWWWWHHHHHEEEEE!!!"

>>>(in ref. to GAC Tren) "His product is made in a manner which insures that it is of the same quality as any drug company, and certainly better than anything coming out of Mexico of Vet quality (this probably includes Ttokkyo and if you have read my column you know I think Ttokkyo is one of the better Mexi Vet companies, I bet GAC's tren is better than what Ttokkyo is about to launch too."

Ttokkyo will rule the market very very soon!!!

I wonder when they will stop trying to bash ttokkyo, will it turn into a Musclemag Muscle tech thing, where everyone knows their lying but they keep saying it anyways?

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

And I'm not saying any test that would show ttokkyo's product to be underdosed is false, I'm saying the forthcoming tests by certain individuals whom are all connected to each other and all have a reason for slamming ttokkyo, should be taken with a grain of salt unless they can provide proof backing up their claims.

Im not flaming, I am trying to understand your motivations.

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

------------------
- If you want 1 year of prosperity, grow grain. If you want 10 years of prosperity, grow trees. If you want 100 years of prosperity, grow people. -

For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board)
Another fine board: Anabolic Fitness

Quenepo, I don't know where you got your information from, but Ttokkyo is readily available in Tijuana. The testing of the products is good, and they have also shown to be clean (at least I know I haven't got an infection from one, and no one I know that uses the products have either).