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DREXX

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posted January 23, 2001 11:02 AM

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My third short cycle. This one is a little different. The goal is to lower bodyfat.

After 4 weeks off, the holidays and a terrible 2 week cold I managed to lose 7lbs of LBM but maintained my pounds of bodyfat.

That leaves me now at a pathetic 5'6 195lbs @ 13.98% bodyfat.

The goal is to lose 2% bodyfat and gain a couple of those lbs of LBM back!

It's probably more realistic to hope to keep my weight about the same and lose fat.

Day 1 1000mg Enanthate
Day 5 500mg Enanthate

Day 1-14 35mg Dbol/day and 25mg Clomid/day and ECA stack (12.5mg/100mg 6 times a day)

T3 is pretty simple.

Day 1-3 25mcg/day
Day 4-11 50mcg/day
Day 12-14 25mcg/day

Day 15 Clomid @ 300mg/day

Day 16-28 Clomid @ 50mg/day

I am taking 4 weeks off and then most likely (if I can get my bodyfat to 10% by then).
I will be doing a contest prep cycle for 9 weeks and going for 3% bodyfat. I have dropped 8% bodyfat in 10 weeks before
with much less drugs so this shouldn't be a problem at all.

I will be using a targeted keto diet consisting of about 3000 cals.

Goal 225g protein 0g carbs 233g fats

I am gettig about 40g of carbs from whey protein shakes. The kind I have sucks for keto diets
The only time I have carbs besides the 40g/day is after training. I take in about 50-60g Dextrose.

Training is 4 times a week and short and intense a la Dorian Yates. In fact I am now using his exact split.

Any sugestions? Comments?

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ultragainz

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posted January 23, 2001 11:52 AM

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try my ultra-breakfast it has good carbs pro and cals.later
NO SWEAT!!! NO BLOOD!!! NO TEARS!!!
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!


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DREXX

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posted January 23, 2001 12:01 PM

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What is your ultra-breakfast???

Are you sure you posted that in the correct thread ultragainz

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RoNiN

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posted January 23, 2001 12:13 PM

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Hey Drexx , are you still going to compete in the Ottawa?

I'm about 210 right now with about 9-10 % BF.
I'm taller though so it's streched out.

Too bad you got sick. That is my major concern when preparing in the winter is that you have to be careful of viruses.

I just finished a short cycle (my last mass cycle) and now I'm going to start slowly eating better and leaning down. The only thing that I plan to do for the shot is Winstrol , Clen and ECA.


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DREXX

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posted January 23, 2001 01:33 PM

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Hey Ronin,

If I can get to 10% bodyfat in the next 6 weeks. I will compete.

On a positive side. I just bought a 500$ recumbent bike so I now can do cardio anytime in my apartment instead of waking up at 5am and walking 15-20min to get to the gym.

On the negative side. I have a limited budget so I will get winny, test, eca and T3. I would have liked to include some fina and eq but oh well!

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The Shadow

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posted January 23, 2001 01:45 PM

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Drexx - no offense, but that does not sound like a good cutting cycle...


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DREXX

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posted January 23, 2001 02:05 PM

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The Shadow:

No offense taken, I post for constructive critisism. So I can make it better.

Which one is not a good cutting cycle my two week stunt or the winny, test, eca and T3 stack for 9 weeks?

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MeanOne

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posted January 23, 2001 03:33 PM

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I think things look pretty good. Have you had good luck with the 1,00mgs on Day 1 and then 500mgs on day 5 setup? Just curious because I know of so many guys who claim that is is incorrect, but refuse to look at studies and clinical studies. Oh well.

On the longer cutting cycle, if you going to use test, use Propinate. 300mgs Every third Day should do a body good, up untill 10 days out from the show, then drop it.

What kind of results have you had with short cycles? I think as the boards biggest advocate of them (the most loudly spoken, perhaps), that they are far superior to longer cycles, and am very insterested in comparing your results with some of my client's. Unless you are terribly worried about gyno or water on the first 2 weeker, you might consider up'ing the Dbol, (just a little), to like 100mgs. No, that is not a typo, 100mgs. Keep us posted on your progress.


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ultragainz

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posted January 23, 2001 04:28 PM

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bro i bump it up for you if i can find it if not i post it in here.its good to use on a roid cycle.its the bodybuilding breakfast.later
NO SWEAT!!! NO BLOOD!!! NO TEARS!!!
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!


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ultragainz

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posted January 23, 2001 04:35 PM

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here bro had a copy of it........
Having a good breakfasts?If your answer is yes or no it dosent matter cuz you could be having a better breakfast with ultragame's(ultragainz) recipe.lol.How...well how dose 52 grams of protein sound?well want more what about 80 grams of protein 660 calories 80 gams of carbs and only 2 grams of fat.Not bad uh,well here are the good stuff that you can be having for breakfast.And it only takes SECONDS or MINUETS to make, thats right.And if you you are looking for more protein or more carbs or cals just add a bigger bwol of cereal or more oatmeal,more fruit ,ect.Or just add a side of fruit or a whole grain bagel also you can have a bigger scoop of protein powder more egg whites or a a side of low fat turkey sausage.

****Mediterranean bagel sandwich: Combine about 1/4cup of softened fat-free or low-fat cream chesse,1/2 cup low-fat cottage chesse,diced tomatoes and,if you want basil and parsley.Scramble four or five egg whites and while they're cooking toast a large bagel-whole wheat is great.top the bagel with scrambled eggs then add top with canned roasted bell peppers....Calories:475,Protein 52grams,Carbs 60 grams,Fat 3 grams...great taste give it 8 stars out of 10

*****Banana-pineapple shake:Puree together 1/2 cup cold water,1/2cup pineapple juice,a banana,1/2 cups of pineapple chunks,2scoops of protein powder and 3 ice cubes in a blender and water if you want(if you want more protein or water just add it in).On the side have a 1/2cup of oatmeal(dry measure),sweetened to your liking.
Calories:675,Protein 55grams,Carbs107,Fat 3grams.....give it 20 stars out of 10 It taste grreat!!!!!!!

******Not your ordinary,oatmeal and egg whites:Cook one cup of oats(dry measure),then mix in a scoop of protein powder,some reduced-fat peanut butter and a handful of raisins.(You can also use protein-enriched oatmeal, you can buy it at nutrition specialty stores)On the side have a egg or 2 hard-boiled eggs. Calories:630,Protein 40grams,Carbs90grams, Fat 12grams.. 7 stars out of 10 its good stuff give it a try, you might like it more then me......

******Cereal and fruit:Fill a big bowl with high-protein cereal(like Protein Plus by Miracle Foods),skim milk and a diced apple.Have a protein shake to drink...Calories660,Protein 80grams,Carbs 80grams,Fat 2grams..Give it a 8.5 stars out of 10 its great....

******Pig in a bodybuilding blanket:Cook low fat turkey sausage and wrap it up in a microwaveable low fat pancakes or waffles.You can use protein-enriched pancake mix if you have more time to cook.Calories:500grams,Protein40 grams,Carbs 40grams,Fat 20grams...never had it but give it a 7 stars i guess cuz of the way it sounds out of 10 stars.but try it might be good....

*******Cottage chesse,fruit,toast:Cottage chesse dosent SCREAM bodybuilding food BUT it has one big advantage:NO COOKING REQUIRED.It ready off the shelf and a half-cup has 14 grams of protein mix it here with frozen fruit for a better taste.Toast 2 slices of whole-wheat bread and spread with reduced fat natural peanut butter.Spoon 1/2 cup or so of low fat cottage cheese into a bowl and mix in frozen berries.Have a protein shake(made with water)to drink....Calories 620,Protein75grams,Carbs,50grams,Fat 13 grams.....9.5 stars out of 10 its grrrreat

AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!!!


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WC

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posted January 24, 2001 02:51 AM

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diet is numero uno by far, but all I do is short cycles. On cutting though, for days 1-10, I would hit sus at 500mg EOD. days 11-20, 500EQ EOD,200deca EOD. Days 21-30, winny at 100mg ED, Prop at 200mg EOD. T3 I would do the normal pyramid over 6 weeks. Clen at 2days on, 1 off, or 2weeks, 2off. Clomid and etc- thru-out. Thats how I would hit it up anyway.


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The Shadow

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posted January 24, 2001 08:44 AM

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I was referring to the use of Enanthate and D-bol (didn't see you list the Winny, which would make a better combo with the test)during the 14 day period when you were to use ECA and T-3. Do you have access to some Fina or Prop, which would help keep some bloat off?? I realize the ECA and the Clomid will help this, but I feel that a prop/fina/winny along with the T-3 and ECA will give you better results.


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DREXX

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posted January 24, 2001 09:47 AM

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The Shadow:

I hear you bro!

But I feel there are no bulking or cutting AAS. The all serve the same purpose. Some make you hold less water but that is it.

I am not bloated at all. The combo of Keto diet, Clomid, T3 and ECA is taking care of that.

Water retention is the least of my problems right now. I am 14% bodyfat

When you are under 8% water retention can blunt definition but right now even if I was on lasix and super dry I still wouldn't see my abs

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The Shadow

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posted January 24, 2001 09:57 AM

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Cool bro. I have front loaded on Enanthate on Days 1 and 4 on a 2 week cycle and was very pleased with the results. The remainder of the cycle was 100 mg Prop EOD.

Keep us posted on the gains.


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NJstacked

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posted January 24, 2001 10:02 AM

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Drexx, I am very interested in your diet...Can you please explain the dextrose? Would this put you out of Ketosis? Also, how many days do you shoot for Ketosis? Weekends off? Thanks for the info, NJstacked


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DREXX

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MeanOne:

This is the first time that I am trying the enanthate split in two shots. I took that advice from you!

Day 5 is today so I will let you know later on if I prefer the enanthate in one or two shots.

Why the prop? To better control the test in your system?

You say cut it out 10 days in advance. You are concerned with water retention right. Wouldn't a diuretic take care of this?

I could also just use enanthate and take it out 2 weeks before couldn't I?

I have had good results with short cycles.
They suit me very well because on convnetional cycles I always make most my gains on the first 3-4 weeks. With conventional cycles I make very good gains but I lose alot of those gains too.

I will keep everyone post on my results!

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DREXX

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posted January 24, 2001 10:12 AM

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NJstacked:

I am on a Targeted Keto Diet as opposed to a traditional Cyclycal Keto Diet.

On a TKD there is no carb up. You take carbs around training. I take them only after training. I wont do a carb up at all.

It kicks me out of ketosis for a couple hours but I am not doing a carb up so that is fine.

I have done this before with good results.

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The Shadow

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I love short cycles. Front load of 600 mg and 400 mg Enanthate and 100 mg Prop EOD through-out. 50 mg Clomid EOD. Retained close to eight pounds of LBM as indicated by hydro-static weighing.


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posted January 24, 2001 10:19 AM

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Drexx, I really like that idea, if you could just answer me a few questions, because I need to cut...I have same stats as you and just finished Sust & EQ cycle...How many weeks do you do this diet for? Do you retain strength? Do muscles go flat? Energy? I appreciate your patience, but I am looking into the Keto Diet and you seem to know your shit...THANKS, NJstacked


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DREXX

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posted January 24, 2001 10:58 AM

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"How many weeks do you do this diet for?"

As long as you want or need to diet. On gear you can aim to lose 0.75-1.0% bodyfat per week. Off gear aim for a max of 0.5% bodyfat loss. Do it for as many weeks as you need to reach desired leaness.

"Do you retain strength?"

I have only done a keto while on gear. I usually lose strenght and feel weak for 3-4 days and then I am fine. Strenght then starts going up

"Do muscles go flat?"

They are of course flatter than usual. But this time around using dbol I think I will stay much fuller. I am only on day 5 though.

"Energy?"

Is good. No ups and downs like when you eat a big carb meal. Blood sugar is stable so you have lots of energy. The carbs right after training with creatine make sure to keep muscle glycogen high.

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Sure, you can loose some water with diuretic's, but if you really want to come into the competition dry, you would eliminate all aromatizing gear, and let the diuretic's take care of the remaining water between the skin and the muscle tissue. Ultimately, you want to thin out your skin as much as possible. Sure you could use enanthate up till 2 weeks out, but I honestly feel propinate would be the better drug, just because of it's very nature to not make you retain much water. If you combined the enanthtae with Nolvadex, that might be a good idea.

Basicly the goal is to of course, eliminate the most bodyfat from yourself, as well as water found under the skin, but NOT in the muscle cell! This is very important to try to regulate. Some people do this with carb depleteing and loading. Others simply do not use diuretics to try to keep intermuscular water, but often don't get the skin thin enough to beat the competition.

With either anabolic route, I'm sure you would be successful. I'm just saying what I would do if I were in your place. Good luck and let us know how you do!


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DREXX

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posted January 24, 2001 02:27 PM

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Thanks for your input MeanOne!

I can get the enanthate very cheap and I am on a budget so I will have to go with that.

I will be using it until 1-2 weeks before the show.

I will use 20mg of Nolva and 50mg of Clomid a day for the last 2 weeks to help with aromatization. I don't hold much water so I should be ok!

I was thinking of using a potassium sparing diuretic to keep the muscles full instead of using lasix.

How would you suggest using aldactone for a middleweight?

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