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  Ok, I fixed my next cycle, it's gonna be longer than 1 month, and the Test is up...

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Future One

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posted January 22, 2001 03:10 PM

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Ok, I fixed my cycle and this is what I'm planning, please give honest opinions, I won't bitch and complain later, I promise:

1st week: 7 dbols/day
300mg Test Cyp.
1 Nolva/EOD

2nd week: 7 dbols/day
300mg Test Cyp.
1 Nolva/EOD

3rd week: 7 dbols/day
400mg Test Cyp.
1 Nolva/EOD

4th week: 7 dbols/day
500mg Test Cyp.
1 Nolva/EOD

5th week:
500mg Test Cyp.

6th week: 1 Clomid EOD

7th week: 1 Clomid ED for two weeks

Off this for sure I would pick up the 20lbs I'm looking for I'm hoping, maybe even more, who knows.

Oh, and please remember that all I've got is Test cyp. and dbols, so that's what I'm using. I could get a Deca to go with it, but I don't see much point since I'd have to use a good 400mg/week minimun of this, any opinions?

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Juice Junkie

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From:Tampa, FL, USA
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posted January 22, 2001 03:39 PM

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Well like I said in your other post I have not had a chance to see your first cycle. The dosages here look a little low to me. Is this your first cycle? If so they should be ok. From what I gathered from your other post you have a couple before. If this is the case I think you are gonna be disappointed. You should still get some good gains depending on your diet and such. I personally would keep the Novaldex on hand in case you needed it but I wouldn't take it unless you felt some irritation in your nips. GL to U


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GAAV KOSH

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posted January 22, 2001 03:58 PM

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In my opinion your cycle is still a little short. You're going to shut down your natural test levels, and you will have to give your body adequite time to recover before you can start your next cycle. I believe if you're not making any gains past week four, you should check your diet, that could be the problem. It happened on my first cylce. I gained about 10 pounds in the first 4 weeks and, didn't again anymore the next 3 weeks. On weeks 8 to 10 I forced down some extra weight gainer every day, and put on another 8 pounds,and after the cycle was over I kept about 12. If you don't want to run your cycles too long you should give short cycles a try, the ones that mean one suggests sound pretty good. I'm thinking of trying a short cycle in a couple of months myself.

P.S.

Also if you're gonna do that cycle I would taper down, not up.

[This message has been edited by GAAV KOSH (edited January 22, 2001).]


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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 22, 2001 04:09 PM

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Appologise about some comments I made earlier, bad day.

Peace

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BRICK

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posted January 22, 2001 04:27 PM

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why dont you want to do the deca?


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WinDec

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posted January 22, 2001 04:28 PM

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Future One,

Just my two cents, but this is what I would do, given the agents at your disposal, a six week timeframe, and your desire to keep the doses light:

week-----TC----Dbol----Clomid
1--------500----5/d----------
2--------500----5/d----------
3--------500----5/d----------
4--------500----5/d----------
5--------500----5/d----------
6---------------5/d----------
7------------------------100/d
8------------------------100/d
9-------------------------50/d
10------------------------50/d

Nolvadex as necessary, of course.

Reasoning:

1. You have already indicated a willingness to go as high as 500mg TC per week (the maximum dose of your proposed cycle.) Given that, just start out with this dose, and stay on it through the end.

2. Don't stop the orals after 4 weeks. You will need the D-bol in week 6 of your cycle, especially, since the TC still present in your system will otherwise be too high to be "off" (from an HPTA standpoint) and too low to be anabolically useful. Some people will disagree with this, but I feel strongly that orals are very useful at the end of cycles, not only at the start. If you are determined not to use D-bol for more than a total of four weeks, then I would use it in weeks 1-3 and then bring it back in week 6.

3. Clomid is a great drug to use post-cycle. It is quite safe and not prohibitively expensive. Better safe than sorry... The Clomid regimen I propose will almost certainly restore your HPTA in a timely fasion; the one you propose may or may not do the job. (Incidentally, it would be optimal to front-load the Clomid by taking 600mg on day one of week 7, and then reverting to 100mg/day.)

Good luck! Let us know what you ultimately go with, and the results.


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Future One

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posted January 22, 2001 04:33 PM

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WinDec, your cycle has logic to it, I'm considering doing that. As far as Clomid, yes, you're right, it is relatively cheap, I will use more just to be on the safe side...

The_Iron_Game: Apology accepted, I know about bad days, believe me, hope you feel better soon.


I'm thinking just screwing this whole thing and splitting this into 2 short cycles, I will let you know what I plan...

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Mass Monster

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posted January 22, 2001 05:04 PM

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Here Bro Sounds Good and everything but I hate to brake it to you and yes you will get huge (for alittle while). But once your cycle is over with I mean its over with you will watch you gain disipate. First off I am sure you know that d-bol has huge gains but most are not held and exactly same with the test cyp. I mean for the money and health issues I would do it right. Try getting and running some deca or primobolan-depot these will help ultimate overall gain. You will but surprised by the advantage they will give you. Below is some facts take a look for your self.

Testosterone Cypionate

200 mgs. / cc. In 10 cc vials. This is highly anabolic and androgenic and aromatizes easily like Anadrol. Users of this drug usually get big size & strength gains but these tend to disappear quickly, unless steps are taken by using other products to try and maintain some of the gains. It is mildly toxic to the liver. At higher doses all of the bad side effects are present such as water retention, baldness, acne, aggressive behavior, etc. Active in your body for about 7 days at a time.
Usual dose is between 200 & 600 mgs a week. Stacked with near enough everything

Dianabol

Used to be known as the Breakfast of Champions, Dianabol is one of the most effective oral steroids ever made. Good for strength and size gains, but water retention can be a problem especially at high doses. Dianabol comes in many forms some of which are practically useless. All are fakes, the real dianabol stopped being produced in 1986, but there are plenty of good copies out there. My own favourite being the PBL product, Pronabol 5.
Usually stacked with Deca or Primobolan, but has been stacked with practically all combinations. Comes in all colours and shapes and should be a 5 mg. Tablet. Dosage levels are usually 20 to 30 mg. Per day, but I have seen as many as 20 of these little suckers being taken at once.


Good luck, get huge!

Mass Monster


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