GEORGE SPELLWIN'S ANNOUNCEMENTS
Enlightening Men about Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding for over Two Decades
|
 Elite Fitness Bodybuilding, Anabolics, Diet, Life Extension, Wellness, Supplements, and Training Boards
 Anabolic Discussion Board
 Everyone's Unrealistic gains...!
|
| Author | Topic: Everyone's Unrealistic gains...! | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 153 |
Bro's, OK this is not to flame any of you. I often see here people who say that they gained 30lbs on there cycle i find this very hard to believe unless it is your first cycle. Now 7lbs to 15lbs (max) is more realistic i have done 3 cycles so far and noticed that anything over 15lbs in solid gains not fat or the fact that you have 7lbs of food inside you which you have consumed during the day is just not realistic. I put on about 7 lbs on my last cycle and it looks alot when compairing before and after pics. Plus i would like to see anyone's before and after pics who has put on 30lbs on there cycle unless it was there first but abit of that on your first cycle is normally fat and water so if you take say the 7lbs of food in your stomach where you have been stuffing yourself and say the 3lbs to 5lbs of water your real gains where about 18lbs. You may all flame me for this but if you do i wanna see before and after pic's of you before your cycle and after your cycle when you put on 30lbs and not a couple of pics that are about 3 to 4 cycles apart. You may ask me where are my pics well i wanna post them all when i hit 200lbs im 170lbs at the moment. but if the need should arise i will mail my pic's to a mod who can post em here and you can see what 7lbs looks like....! ------------------ [This message has been edited by M1KAI (edited January 22, 2001).]     | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 482 |
i think that's a good idea! i agree with you. it's pretty hard to tell how much muscle you have gained just by looking at the scales. pic tells it. all. ------------------ Mmmmmmmmmmmm...winny.... | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
I think sometimes half of the weight I gain is from water retention. This probable contributes to the unrealistic results. 30 lbs. of lean muscle would be incredible even for a long cycle | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
I feel compelled to jump into this one. Yes it was my first cycle but I gained over 30 & kept 21lbs. I went from 185lbs to 217, then down to 206lbs. Was I lucky? I don't think so, my diet sucked because of my traveling, I was lucky to get 3000 calories a day. The cycle was sust 500/primo 400/winny 50 eod. It can & does happen! I know after pics without before pics don't mean squat, but the only pic I have is an after poorly lighted shot of my back doing side laterals so here ya go. http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/pier/5774/download.jpg ------------------ | ||
|
Moderator 
Posts: 1720 |
I can somewhat agree with that, but each time you cycle you learn your body more, you learn what will work and what wont, you hopefully improve your diet, cycle, training, rest. providing you do this progressivly you will put on 20 lbs a cycle and keep at least 50% of that When i started out i was 185, i have hit a high of 270 and i sit at 250 right now starting my next cycle, but this is the first time i am doing a good diet, plus i have two great lifting partners to push each other. ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 170 |
Conan, you started off at 185? Damn thats awsome! I started off there as well and have only done one cycle to get to 206, is it feasable given the results of my first cycle that after 2/3 more I can get to 230 - 250? Man I had no idea that was obtainable. I know genetics have everything to do with it (some of mine can be seen in the photo listed above, I think they are quite good actually). ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Alright, lets say a person takes 12 weeks to lift as hard as he can, be as dedicated as he can to his diet, take all the right supplements and does not do recreational drugs. Would that person not gain 5-7 pounds of lean muscle over a 12 week period? If there is no advantage to juicing, then why do it? Personally, I am up close to 20 pounds on my first cycle, 157-175. My body fat is actually down, not up. | ||
|
Moderator
Posts: 1720 |
Beefmaster I am an addict (so to speak) i use stupid doses, that i dont recommend to anyone, fortunately all my blood work has come back great, along with my BP and heart rate BUT that doesnt mean that high doses are good for everyone, i cant stress this enough i am 250 right now, but my frame can EASILY and i mean easily carry 300-320, as i am not that thick, yes i am bigger than average, but i am not Thick, thick so once again, what works for one person can KILL another! ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 153 |
Scubasteve, I was not saying that there not advantage to juicing if you did a cycle for 12 weeks i expect you could gain around 25lbs to 30lbs. But im talking about putting on 30lbs in 4 weeks or so i dont think you can really put on 30lbs in solid muscle. So good gains would be a net of 10lbs to 15lbs say over 4 weeks can you see where im comin from...! ------------------ | ||
|
Freak 
Posts: 1606 |
I agree. My first 2 cycles together I only put on a total of about 16lbs of quality lean muscle. I put on water and fat of course, but according to my bodyfat tests I had done, only 16lbs was quality muscle. Its prob not the most accurate in the world either, so give or take a few lbs. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
The first 4 weeks is just the initial boost. I think that the rest of the cycle is where you solidify those gains, convert the extra water and blown up muscle to solid hard gains. I went through the first 4 weeks of blowing up, now I am changing my composition to a more solid gain. I am hoping that the more solid the gain is, the more of it I will be able to keep. | ||
|
Cool Novice 
Posts: 20 |
scubasteve what is your cycle? I'm starting my first one of deca/d-bol I'm at 165lbs. right now? let me know | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 315 |
Well guys, I think 30 lbs, including water is very realistic. This is just from the fact that someone in my gym gained 20lbs in a month from 4 anadrol a day. Sure he looked like a tick, about ready to explode, but weight is weight, right? Well I unfortunately beleive thatshort cycles are better anyways. You could easily gain 30lbs to keep over 6 short cycles, which works out to 12 weeks of being "On," which seems to be about the same time as a longer cycle. The difference - you'll keep 30lbs on the short cycles, you'll loose 8-15lbs from the long cycle. Now, if I'm going to spend money on gear, I want the most bang for my buck, which means keeping the most of my gains that I can. I'm not HUGE or anything, but I am 240lbs, at very low BF percentages, and have not had problems adding between 5-8lbs of solid muscle tissue in 13 days. Just keep in mind, we are all different, and being that, like conan said, we will all be able to use different amounts of drugs and attain different results. If I was to take 2 A50's a day, and you took 2 A50's a day, we would not gain the exact same amount of weight, LBM, or water. -MO | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
zeke, My cycle is a pussy cycle, 200mgs test and 200 mgs primo per week. I am now done with five weeks. I went from 157 to 175, keeping same bf%. My workout weight on my bench went from 315 to 405 with similar gains in other body parts. I think I am going to cut this cycle short, use the other half in a couple of months. I have gained enough and would like to have another boost in a few weeks. Does anyone see the benefit in that? | ||
|
Novice 
Posts: 8 |
scubasteve, no way,if your your making those kinds of gains I wouldn't cut it short.I would deffinetly take advantage of it and ride it out to the very end.That's just my opinion. | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 933 |
Yeah, I learned the hard way not to just shoot for a number on the scale. My first cycle I went from a very cut 176 to 210 (keep in mind I'm 5'5") in a month (winny-tren with Anadrol as a kicker for first three weeks). When I dropped the drol I went back down to 200 and realized I'd gained a bit of bodyfat. After I lost that and came off, I am around 194lbs. This means I lost about half the percieved gains. 18lbs for a six week cycle isn't too bad, but I think if I had just used injectables for a longer cycle and put more emphasis on quality gains, I would have kept alot more. Live and learn. | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
If your only gaining 7lb. a cycle, they must be really mild cycles. I gained 42lb. my first cycle and 30lb. my second cycle. I can't imagine what will happen once I start hittin' the Growth Hormone in a few years. Like Conan said, it all has to do with your frame. My frame could hold 300+ easy. I too am thick but not THICK. Luckily I don't want to get that big, I'm an athlete not just a big bodybuilder. But anyway, get your sleep, diet and training in check before you do your cycle and the results will happen. They do for me!! | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 376 |
I'll take 10lbs of LBM over 40lbs of fat mixed with a little LBM any day of the week. You don't need to take AS if you want to gain a lot of fat. Just go on the pizza and ice cream cycle. ------------------ | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1329 |
LOL @ Wfabrizio.  ------------------ | ||
|
Freak
Posts: 1656 |
Man Child, i am calling bullshit...72 pounds off two cycles? You know what kind of pain one would experience, and the related stretch marks from a 42 pound gain (unless you weigh 400 pounds at the start). I think 10 lean pounds are a more realistic gain from a normal cycle and clean food. ------------------ | ||
|
Freak
Posts: 1503 |
damn scuba, you were benching 315 at 157lbs naturally? not bad. ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 270 |
quote:
If you do some math you'll see that if a 140 person( first cycle) puts on 14 pounds during a cycle. Thats only a 10% gain. Are most peoples post abit over the top? YES, But the human body is an amazing thing. SO 30pounds is realistic. Not for me I'd be afraid of the bad sides. . | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 376 |
All I got to say is, all of the vets who have taken everything and seen others take everything reiterate the same thing: Not possible to gain 30-40 lbs of lbm. Keyword being LBM(lean body mass) So why is everybody arguing with that? When you're discussing weight gain look at this way: Now, if you gained extra inches on your waist and not anywhere else, you're fat. You gained fat. Weight is not weight. If that were the case 400lbs of tardy blubber would be GREAT! ------------------ | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 933 |
"I'll take 10lbs of LBM over 40lbs of fat mixed with a little LBM any day of the week. You don't need to take AS if you want to gain a lot of fat. Just go on the pizza and ice cream cycle." You cannot forget the Lee Priest off season stack of Krispy Kreme and KFC. jeezus...it really sucked to drop all that bf (if I see another ripped fuel or t3 tab I will puke). I'll never eat tons of junk while on cycle again! | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
bro i gained 40 pounds on my first cycle.but iam NOT saying that it was all muscle it had water fat and muscle in it to some people can gain crazy weight.later NO SWEAT!!! NO BLOOD!!! NO TEARS!!! AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!! P.S.GAMEOVER!!!! | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
I am now 181, up from 157 four weeks ago. My waist is still about the same size, gained an inch on my chest, almost an inch on my arms and some weight on my legs. I cant tell exactly where the weight went to, looks like all over. A lot of my shirts dont fit anymore, most cut off my circulation. Some of my shorts dont fit anymore, cant get them over my thighs. People say I have gained a lot, but I cant see much. I think it is because I was hoping that 25 pounds would make me look like a lot more. I know I gained a lot of muscle because I am a lot stronger on every lift. | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 775 |
I started at 180. I'm in the middle of a cycle right now, and weigh 273.. Yes, at 180lbs is was 9% fat. Right now, I'm probably at 18% or so.. Yes fat, but bulking. I hope to be about 220 at 4% for a show.. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 153 |
quote: No actually my cycles looked like this: =======D'bol===Clomid
==========D'bol===Ganabol====Cyp=====Test Depot===Deca=====Clomid Happy now you know...! when i started i was 140lbs im only 5'7 tall and i had been training for 3 years but found it hard to gain so i tryed a d'bol cycle and put some mass on and Cell Tech never worked for me...! So 30 lbs NET in LBM over 3 cycles is not bad. Just realized i forgot to take into account your hight for example if your 6'4 20 to 25lbs of LBM may not be impossible [This message has been edited by M1KAI (edited January 23, 2001).] | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 20 |
I went up over 70 lbs after 7mos straight of juice. I gained the first 40 in the first 10 weeks. I will never do a long or high dose cycle again! I tolerated it fine, BP never over 125/75, no pissin blood, etc, just up to a size I maintained after many,many weeks off. Gonna keep it short, simple! 10-10-10(days ea) then off 60. |
All times are ET (US) | |
 |
|
|
posted January 22, 2001 03:57 AM
