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 Here's the EXACT CYCLE that MIKE MENTZER used to win the 1980 Universe!
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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This is a piece of an interview between Mentzer and TS taken straight out of Iron Magazine, December 2000 edition. TS:"What kind of steroid regimen were you following when you got a perfect score at the Universe? Mentzer:"I took 400mg of Deca Durabolin every 10-14 days,....and no more than five Dianabol a day." He also said that the longest he ever stayed on juice was three months and never spent more than $500 on gear. Like him or not, he did develop a pretty awesome body on very low dosages of roids. I had this mag for a few months but never thought to post the info. If anyone knows where I can find any other articles about old pros' favorite cycles let me know, because I think it's interesting. ------------------     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I agree that alot of people over juice. Keep it light and work hard... ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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but it is not because he said only taking 400 mgr deca/10/14 days and 5 D-bols, that one should believe him. Coleman once said he never used roids, so why doesn't anybody believe Coleman? ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT COLEMAN SAID ON LENO, HE DID NOT SAY THAT HE NEVER USED STEROIDS. ONLY SAID THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO USE STEROIDS. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I believe it!I have seen tremendous gains on people who have taken what would be considered "MINISCULE"dosages for some on this board. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Its a good thing Cell Tech wasn't around in the 80's otherwise Mentzer would have only been using that and no roids like all the other pro's of today  ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
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mike mentzer if he said that is unquestionably a LIAR sorry just not possible great gains are possible on low doses however gains that will win you the olympia ARE NOT even in 1980 ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
Why would he bullshit? He already admitted to juicing, why would he lie about his dosages? 4 to 5 D-bol is a large amount of AS to take day | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: No disrespect bro but all pro's admit to taking steroids yet none of them claim they are abusing. It is common believe they are/ or most of them are on insulin, hgh, anadrol, test 3000mgs/wk and so on. This is a bit of a generalisation, however they deny using most substances and some claim that gains are a result of purely using hgh and deca and so on. It is fact that they use much more than they admit too. Peace | ||
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Moderator
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Holy shit the great Macro speaks all hail macro hehe whats up bro ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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thats why hes dead.. yes I know it was diuretics.. come on people.. It is wrong for me to assume, I know..but personally I dont think its possible to accomplish what he has on what he has quoted..only he knows | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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yes i agree, alot of people on this board talk about.. "I"m on 3000mg of test a week", and bol shit..it's like damn man chill out if your not gonna get huge and look sweet than your just not going to. The juice can't change your genetics nor your training habits or eating..(especialy genetics).. People need to learn to eat right..and train hard during and after cycles. I have a bunch of guys who get all bloated and push alot of weight at the gym while there on juice than they don't even do more the 3 lifts a day..an never hit the flat bench cause there to imberessed..i say fxck it man..train hard or don't train at all. REMEBER IT'S THE MAN WHO MAKESS THE JUICE NOT THE JUICE WHO MAKES THE MAN!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Good for him. It doesn't work for me. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: I noticed Macro posted on a few threads this weekend. Nice to see ya' around, man. Later, | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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hey freak, who is dead? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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WOW, Macro is still lurching the boards from time to time. Thats almost spooky, like he is always watching us....:^) Nice to see ya. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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It's all relative. Listening to others and their cycles just theoretically does one thing. It gives us a possible measuring stick for us to gauge our own cycles. It is true that you must train hard and so on and so forth, but the fact of the matter is that one must actually use the drug with trial and error to find out how he/she will react to it. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 256 |
Apperently professinal BBs have great genetics so they will do great on low dosages and hard training. Most of you guys don't want to admit that a pro would so little because you are using so much more and gaining so much less. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Ronnie Coleman isn't natural? Are you guys sure? -ANYHOW Whos' dead? Mike Metzner? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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its important to note that some people are blessed with outstanding gentics (unlike me), and clearly, AS will react much more favorably to those that have good genetics. I dont want to speculate on the truth of his claimed dosages, but he isnt a Coleman..thats for sure. | ||
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Cool Novice 
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well- I am no guru, LOL, but I know a guy who trained on/off with mentzer around 77-80 and said that he and Mike shot eachother up. Like 200mg deca every 6-8 days, and 200primo with 4-6 dbol per day. Keep in mind that deca was 25 or 50mg/cc back then. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I have read before that Mike and Ray Mentzer were really into using amphetamines to train harder. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Physically gifted Mesomorphs have high numbers of testosterone receptors in their muscles, so a certain dose of steroid will yield a greater gain in size. Plus, they have naturally high levels of testosterone, more muscle fibers, and larger muscle fibers. Plus, they have more efficient metabolisms, so they will gain off less food also. And remember, 5 Dianabol a day back then was considered megadosing. The old Ciba Dianabol was good, pure D-bol. [This message has been edited by Recoome (edited January 22, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Yeah, I can beleive that he used that levels of drugs. Dianabol can be effective at dosages as low as 10-15mgs. Combine that fact, with the idea that many of us who use Deca (I don't personally, but others do) never really go above 400mgs/wk. I still think the guy had some of the most impressive forearm developement, even by todays standards. Vascularity, massive, dense.....The guy acheived great density throughout. Pick up a copy of the first Heavy Duty and sift the pages, there are so many shots that were a muscle it stretched out, still stands off his body what appears to be 6 inches (I know it's not). Incredible, too bad he's a total money freak now. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Animal B and Fe3. They are talking about Mentzer not Munzer who did die from diuretics or overdose of something (he had so much running thru his system) while on a plane I believe. Mentzer is preaching the heavy duty very short training methodology | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Sorry guy's but Mentzer's full of it, s**t that is. No way did he gain that size on 200 mg of Deca every 10 to 14 days along with 5 to 6 dianabol per day - bollocks. In an old issue of Muscle Media Dan Duchaine said he knows light weight women bodybuilders who are using 400 mg of deca per week 4 dianabol per day along with 3 or 400 mg of equipose per week. Do you really think that Mentzer grew on less steroids than a light weight female bodybuilder uses? Think about it, Mentzer is only trying to protect his reputation and make it look like he was able to develop his physique as a result of his heavy duty training rather than on large amounts of anabolic steroids. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Everyone who used steroids back then all say the same thing. 4-5 Dianabol a day, and 1-2cc of Deca-Durabolin or Testosterone a week. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I agree with Madmitch. Maybe it is better for champs not to tell how much they really use drugs. Young guys may start using same amounts, and what about then? My friend heard Dorian Yates saying (when he was asked about his drug use): "It is better I don�t tell that, because tomorrow half of u guys would be using same amounts, and would die." This happened in one of Dorian�s seminars. | ||
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Freak
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Yes, thank you Macro, we do have the same idee on this. And if i remember correctly, Lee Priest also states not using very much. Even if he will never win the Olympia, nobody gets a body like he has without a huge amount of supplements, roids, GH, Insulin, what ever. One may do 40 sets per bodypart (he does 20 like Arnold did in the seventies). But i also think the guys are not allowed to speak freely, because this could hurt the sport. We all know guys like Weider make a LOT of money out of this. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I feel that even though Priest, Mentzer, etc. admit to a little AS use. They still use more of course. All these statements are half truths. I mean if a pro said he took 12 IU GH, 60 IU Insulin, 4 A-bombs, 3000mg. test. etc. etc. It will just make people think that drugs are what made them, and that anybody could take such doses and be Nasser. Of course it's genetics, training, diet, drugs, etc. that create true champs. When a pro admits to drug use (piddly amounts) it's just to appease the readers and make them think he's an honest guy. Hey, I still love these dudes and can understand why they can't be frank about it. Palumbo on the other hand could give a fuck. He planly states that even newbies are wasting time and money with anything less than a gram of test a week. He admits to a ton of shit that he's on. GH freak!! He is an honest guy though whether you like the way he looks or not or whether you like his advice. He's a straight shooter. that's rare nowadays. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Come on guys! This board has people asking whether Brad Pitt juiced!!! Give me a break. Don't any of you have friends that are genetic freaks? My former workout buddy was a lean 225 at 5'11" before he ever juiced. He started on a Big Ten team as a linebacker --all natural at first. I had to juice just to get to his starting point. Some people are born to be scientist, some are born to be boxers, and some are BORN TO BE BODYBUILDERS!!! I believe Yates had to take a ton of roids, cause I've seen a picture of him as a teen, and he was as thin as a beanpole. But other guys just have the foundation. I give the old guys thier props. Besides, the difference between 1980 and 2000 is insane. Arnold wouldn't even make it to the Olympia nowadays. So of course today the dosages are insane... | ||
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Freak
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quote: Arnold wouldn't even make it to the Olympia nowadays. So of course today the dosages are insane... But Mike Menzer would with only 400 mgr/Deca and 5 dbols? Maybe the Deca in 1980 was of better quality then ? No way, Arnold would be in the top 3 if he was 25-30 years younger. It's his character. He would rather die than not win. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Jeff: I'm not saying Arnold couldn't make it if he was competing at today's level. But I'm saying to take his exact body from the time he was competing, and put it against Coleman. No chance. Remember, Arnold supposedly said his favorite stack was primobolan depot and dbol. Draper has said that he used to argue whether 20mg dbol a day was too much vs 25mg. Those guys built their bodies without 1gram sust, 600mg tren, and insulin, DNP, and PGF-2... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Macrophage69alpha said it ... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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hey, I heard cows take fina!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: Spawn is exactly right. I have said it before and what Mentzer said only confirms it. I guess reality hurts some people here. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: What are you talking about? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the same chemical compound as today. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Munzer died from internal bleeding by ingesting 50 aspirin/day for years, not from diuretics. All that Cytadren didn't help either... Also, MeanOne, how is Mentzer a "money freak" now? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: Quote from Jeff M Everson, Planet Muscle Magazine vol 3 #2, p.46: "The once and forever 'King' has unfortunately gone forever. The Dianabol imitations (from Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria and Russia, usually as odd-shaped pink pills of 5mg or as 5mg white tablets) just can't, and don't approach the original." This is from someone who has used both the old original and the newer imitations. As far as Mike Mentzer goes, none of the old-timers had Gyno or bloat, and I don't think they used anti-estrogens back then. Evidently, they didn't megadose. | ||
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Freak
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well stick me in the ass with 10 needles at once...my mistake..I was thinking munszer..sorry..we all make mistakes | ||
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Freak
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You are not mistaking Animal. And Stalker, PGF does not build muscle, only cuts you up. Well at least i didn't gain any muscle. You are right if you want the "old Arnold put next to the new Coleman". But if you see pictures of Sergio Oliva of 30 years ago, my god man, he was close to todays standards. But you could also compare a car from 1970 to a car from 2000. Invert the quesion: would Ronnie win 30 years ago? It's just a thought, nothing more. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Jeff, I wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts on Sergio. And the thought of Coleman 30 years ago is interesting. I think that back then, he would lose because the focus was more on symmetry. How could a Frank Zane be Mr. Olympia using today's standards? But then again, his shear size is so damn intimidating. While I personally do believe Mentzer in this case, all I know is that I wish I had his genetics. MeanOne was right concerning his physique: amazing in its prime. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Recoome, That's an interesting quote. I just don't understand if they are the same chemically, and dose wise, why would one be better than the other. If something has changed in dianabol throughout the years then that's another story. BTW, I meant no disrespect...just couldn't figure that one out. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Mentzer's physique was great in his prime. However, he has been caught lying about his training methods during that time so why wouldn't he lie about his cycles? He never tells you that he actually did 3 "warm up" sets before his one all out set to failure on every exercise. The guy is out of his mind, train once every 10-14 days? Come on. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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"Money freak" (pronounced monee' freek) Adjective. Person who sells books, tapes, and services at massive rates that utulizes nothing more than theories, and one that uses theories to prove the results, when in actuality, results shoud be used to prove theories. One who proclaims to not give endorsements because it is selling them out, then when you flip the page, you see them all over some Twinlab add, with old pictures of them in his prime. If I worked out once every 14 days I would make NO progress. NONE! Why? My muscle group begin to atrophy after 6 days of none training. The guy was very impressive. I use a lot of his principles in my training, and my clients training. However, he is way off on the idea of frequency. Intensity, and on volume he seems to be fairly correct on (mind you, I think 2-3 sets is best, he only said 1...we differ, but not greatly). I'm sorry, I still just can't get over the guys super thick chest, massive forearms, thick, wide arms, and very good quad developement for his day. Also, his back detail is still not even matched by a few of todays pro's. (Nasser, Ruhl...etc.) The only thing I say lacking was ab detail, but maybe that just because I'm used to seeing and talking with the super ripped guys of today. Basicly, Mentzer could have easily used those dosages, EASILY! I think he used a little more Dbol, so some other androgen than he let on, but who really cares...? Are any of us trying to unseat Ronnie Coleman? Are any of our ego's so fagile that we must prove ourselves better than Mike? MeanOne | ||
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Freak
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Guru
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WHAT A BUNCH OF BULL SHIT> If that is way you believe, you just keep taking what he did while I continue to grow bigger and stronger. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Well that was a pretty bold statement checkmate. I guess because I get stronger off of andriol, than most, I will untimately be more successful? I doubt it, I thought it was pretty well understood that being every reacts different to gear, some people will require less gear to grow more. Was wasn't HUGE, but the man did attain a level of developement which, given the proper amount of increase in competition, very few of us here could get to. How many of you think you could win a contest with a perfect score? Or even 22 years ago when Mike did? Just a thought... | ||
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Cool Novice
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It might be possible, remember the DBALL were 50MGS back then. That equals 250MG of DBALL a day!!!!!! So that is not a small amount by any means. MK ------------------ quote: [url] www.msnhomepages.talkcity.com/DownsizeDr/burymemassive/[/url] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Your joking right? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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LOL.... The truth hurts for those guys that love to inject high doses...LOL..we will never know the truth but I know it is possible to get those gains off of low dosages with great genetics, hard work and a great diet. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I know this is going to sound like BS but I sometimes wonder if the low androgenics are not the best for size. I think it is possible that Mentzer was telling the truth although we don't know for sure. I heard Tom Platz at a seminar say that his 1981 Olympia cycle was Winstol tabs ( I can't remember the mgs but they were low) and I think Deca. He could have been lying but I'm starting to wonder now. I Personally know one of the IFBB judges and when Rich Gaspari was at his best he told me he was taking 1 Parabolin and 1 Primobolin acetate every other day. This is fact. At the time I thought this was crazy but today it sounds very low dose and where's all the test? I more thing. I know one of the guys who used to supply Haney with EQ. He said it was his favorite drug. Haney used to stay at this guys house when he was training for the Arnold classic. One of the biggest guys around(no names) personally told me he does not like test. or any of the high androgenic drugs. Now after putting all this together I'm starting to wonder what's up. I have always stayed with the high andro stuff like test and have never taken stuff like primo, anavar, eq or deca thinking that it was a waste of my time. Think back to when Arnold and those guys in the 70's were training. Pretty damn big. Stuff like primo, deca, anaver and yes D-bol(an exception) were very popular. Sergio Oliva was large as hell and stuff like Insulin and GH didn't even exist. I think too much emphasis is put on this crap and not enough on the lower androgenic stuff. So maybe there is somethin to what these guys are saying. Just food for thought. | ||
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Cool Novice
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well- back in the early 80's, my uncle and dad used dbol, deca,primo,and some para. My dad at his strongest did 5 plates on bench 6 reps. He was on 5 dbol per day and 150mg deca a week with 200 Primo every monday. His dbol cycles would start at 1 tab a day for a week, then go up a tab a day per week until ya hit 5, then ya stopped after that week, but did deca 2 months. His dbol was blue, he still has about 200 of them left. Obviously expired, but he is in the middle of a naposim/primo cycle and he complains the new dbol is not even 1/4 the strength of the "ol blues". He just started lifting again after a 14 year layoff about 3 weeks ago. He did 3 wheels a side for 11 reps his 1st day back. According to him, 1-2-3 diets (fat-carb-protien)aminos, vitamins, and a strict training routine is much much better than juice. I think back then they relied on blood,sweat,tears more than juice,which sadly is the oposite of today. He did a max 2 cycles per year,1 with dbol/deca,or dbol/primo, and the other deca/primo. My uncle still has 20" arms at 43 years old. [This message has been edited by WC (edited January 23, 2001).] [This message has been edited by WC (edited January 23, 2001).] | ||
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WC, Intersting reading.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Everyone is forgetting something here!!!! Anadrol 50, A-bombs, Anapolon or what ever the f**k you want to call them have been around since 1960. Do you really think that F**k wits like Mentzer would only take Dianabol and Deca when something as strong as Anadrol was available. Come on someone put two and two together. F**k me they are still writing articles in the magazines about how the guy's back in the 50's were all natural. Bollocks the guy's back in the 50's had Dianabol and Nilevar for breakfast along with a few shots of Testosterone. I remember reading an article about Nilevar in which either Park or Pearl (I can't remember which) admitted to using Nilevar in the 50's and gaining 20-30 lb's in a few months. Reeves was also alledged to be taking Testosterone. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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It was pearl who used Nilevar. As far as D-bol goes. There were hardly any counterfits back in the 70's or 80's so if you got d-bol you got d-bol. Nowadays you take your chances, educate yourself as much as possible to detect fakes, etc. Methandrostanolone is fucking Methandrostanolone. Its the same chemical how is 5mg's of D-bol from Ciba in the 70's and 80's gonna be any different than a thai d-bol today unless quality control is slipping with some of the legit D-bols and they are underdosed. Whoever said 50mg d-bols were available back then also doesn't know what they're talking about. It was always Ciba 5mg D-bol. There is only one 50mg D-bol that a certain ImP made, and that's recent shit. Not back then. They even used to give it to women in the 60's as a "tonic" until all the masculinizing effects started showing up. Regardless, d-bol is d-bol if it's real. I do think that the old pros did have a different kind of muscle density that all that volume produces over the long term. Mentzer's a dipshit anyways so who cares what he says. He also has a new supplement line with homeopathic HGH which he endorses, and everyone knows there is no way that would do jack shit for anyone. Not to mention he sells DHEA for 12 bucks, 300gr. creatine for 27 bucks. The guy's a con-artist, amphetamine freak, psuedoscientist, obnoxious philosopher who has a superiority complex, and is a fat out of shape worthless fucker today, who will never let go of his 1980 Olympia loss to Arnold. All he does is bitch about every contest being fixed, only hears what he wants to hear, hates all those whose opinions differ, and claims his way is the only way that works. In conclusion, I know I've gotten off topic a bit here, but I wouldn't put much stock in what the guy says. I like priest too, but we all know he uses a little bit more than 200mg/week Primo and Deca. Later gators. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Damn skippy tomatoehead. All my bitches laid out for me. Nitestalker, Haney never did the Arnold. ALL the old pros lie about juice like the new pros lie because they want to be considered superior. They were superior then like the new pros are superior now. They are getting old and these are their stories. Mentzer was awesome like any name we still know. Oliva weighed the same as Arnold at 4 inches shorter. HE is the best BB of all time. ALL TIME. | ||
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Freak
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I am very much with you Kahn "saying that Sergio was the greatest of all time" and i am an Arnold fan. Maybe Sergio was born 30 years to soon. Most of us guys (i think anyway) want to look good and we all know that even THAT is not possible taking 400 mgr deca every 10/14 days, but to be on stage of the Olympia one needs maybe 10 times that dose (not 4000 mgr of Deca, but a stack of 4000 mgr/week). To win the Olympia well the winner takes more than 4000 mgr/week. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Guru
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Sorry guys he was just flat taking many more script drugs than that period> | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 122 |
The pros of yesterday did get by with far less steriods than we do today. Think about what we use today--multiple grams of test weekly (some daily), insulin, human growth hormone, DNP. This stuff wasn't around then. In about 5-10 years there will be a myriad of new drugs available, and as they are implemented the current therapies will be eclipsed by them. I won't be surprised when a gram of test a day will be common practice. This is the age of instant gratification, and we are rapidly descending into something far worse. The old pros did use steroids. But they trained like madmen and ate like savages. Life was good. | ||
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Novice 
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alot of pros lie period. They think by lying they are hiding their personal secrets. GROWTH- learn it, live it, love it | ||
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Cool Novice
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Your rite Kaun, I stand corrected. Haney stayed with my friend when he came to watch the Pro World? in Columbus Ohio. The one that Gaspari won a couple of times. Anyway, Haney was an EQ freak. He bought mostly EQ more than he did test. EQ does have a reputation for being low androgenic. And even back then there was no IGF and Insulin was not in vogue yet. GH was being used.I'm not saying that no one used test it's just that I don't hear the older guys talk like they really liked it all that well. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Mike surely didnt tell all about his doses. But, he was asked what was his cycle for a particular contest. Sure he used a-bombs, test,etc, but perhaps that was pre-contest. Bill Pearl lives in Ashland,Oregon. So does my mom. Bill owns a local gym up there, and can be found there alot of the time. He admits to juicin, but says 3-4 dbol was plenty. Pearl was big, yes, but 18" arms, etc- so he wasnt HUGE. He lifted for many,many years before entering a contest. Im sure that almost anyone with decent genetics that trained his ass off for many years straight, would be fairly big too. According to Pearl, todays machines etc compard to yesterdays powerlifting based training makes a big difference as well. And no, dbol today is NOT the same compound as the original ciba dianabol. Pros back then follwed a pretty strict diet year round, not like todays pros that put 40-60 pounds of fat on prior to a contest. They only had to lose 10-15 pounds to be ripped, and their abs showed year round. I am not by anymeans saying mike was honest or dishonest, but that doses back then were way,way less than todays "standard". No gyno, no bloat, never seen tons of zits on em in picts either. Also, remember that this was their jobs, like some of us are mechanics,clerks, etc. [This message has been edited by WC (edited January 23, 2001).] |
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posted January 21, 2001 04:16 PM
