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 If you can answer this question you're either the biggest guru alive, or you'r a liar
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 236 |
Tell me the amount of calories an individual is to consume so that there is a metabolic deficit which will require the body to burn fat for energy, yet there will still be enough left over calories for adding additional muscle mass My Point>> You cant get bigger and more cut at the same time.......perhaps so with immense amount of anabolics, but what a waste to use that many drugs on a negative caloric balance........     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 596 |
Well, lets look at this for a sec. First off I disagree somewhat with what you said about not being able to get bigger and cut at the same time. First it depends on how you discribe some as being bigger. Is it being a freak all bloated with water in the off season(No offense to anyone) or is it someone with a lot of lean quality muscle? Lets look at someone AVG. I believe someone with an avg. body, with avg BF(lets say 12%-15%) can drop there BF and add Quality (lean)Muscle. Also they canincrease in total Muscle weight over time.(and it will take a lot of time if he/she is natural)With drugs, this can be achieved in a shorter period of time of course. And the reason i think it can be done is b/c I've seen a buddy of mine do it over a long period of time. But my question for you is: Why can't someone increase in Muscle mass and drop BF at the same time? And for the first question, that is impossible to answer, b/c there is not enough info given(and i'm not saying that I can answer it, but i'm saying for someone to answer that, they will need to know a lot of info on the subject). Also if someone has a very clean diet, and knows how there bodies chemestry works. Then they will know when to eat High CHO meals, and Protein meals,ect... then they can gain quality muscle without BF. Do I have any proof to back this up? Nope sure don't. I guess its personal opinion. At lease for me it is. P.S I'm sure not a guru, and i'm not a liar either... [This message has been edited by bsjohnson (edited January 20, 2001).] | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4772 |
Well my personal oppinion is the same as yours bsjohnson. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 596 |
bumping right up... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 271 |
I'm with you guys. It is possible to ad muscle and loosing fate in the same period of time. It's a matter of caloric manipulation. Manipulate your calories accordingly to energy output(asuming you already have a clean and sound diet.) I did it my self, so I know it can be done. But as said above, it takes a long time - to long!(of course it also depends on your goals etc etc.). VIKING OF THE NORTH. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1398 |
Sorry bro, but that is the most stupid thing I have ever heard in my life. Have you ever noticed how when you first start training and you neglect food because you dont yet know the importance of it, so you under eat and yet still put on muscle. Scientists havent even been able to explain the reason why someone can put on weight on a calroie deficit diet but it is possible the first few weeks you start training. As for not being able to lose fat and gain muscle! It is even possible without steroids, so I dont know why you say you must be on extreme amounts of steroids to do it. It is all about your nutrition and training, if you mix the perfect combination of these then it can easily be done. You must remember you are not gonna get huge like this but a few extra pounds of muscle and a few less pounds of fat. Peace ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 35 |
I agree. During christmas, I went on a simple 3 week cycle of clen, straight through, no break. My bodyweight dropped from 224 to 216, yet my bench press actually went up from 315 x 4 to 315 x 6. I think it was just from the slight thermogenic affects of clen seeing as I didn't restrict calories. It was just a trial period to see how I reacted to the stuff. I didn't really have any sideaffects at all except slight jitters here and there and a slightly higher heart rate at about 140 mcgs/day. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 350 |
I think ability to put on muscles and burn fat decline with age,well,like everything else..... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 931 |
You are assuming that a caloric deficit is an energy deficit. It is not. Why? Because you have energy stored in the form of fat. Therefore your body can use the energy in its fat to make up for the dietary calorie deficit. This way not all calories in the diet will be used for fuel but can be used for building muscle. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
Bump. AM hit it right on the head, caloric intake deficit does not always equal a total caloric deficit. Stored fat adds tons of energy, that's why we store the stuff. Even if that were not the case, your body decides where it removes fat & muscle during a catabolic session. So you could burn your quad muscles building mass in your pecs. The question you pose is simply a matter of knowing your body. Over long periods of time, I'm able to drop fat while adding muscle. But this takes so long that it's easier for me to ignore fat for ten weeks then cut it off for 6 weeks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 625 |
AGREED WITH BSJOHNSON. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
i myself know for a fact it is possible to lose fat and add muscle at the same time...in fact before i started anabolics i was a little on the chubby side, so i leaned down using ECA, calorie reduction, and cardio. i did this so i could have a good lean base to start off with.I actually got stronger during this time period and added size. i know this b/c i got strech marks up near armpit from this. my .02 ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 596 |
Bump: I would still like to see why BillyBadAss thought you couldn't gain Muscle, and drop BF at the same time. Just curious. Also AM you bring up a good point. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 116 |
BSjohnson: Not that I know what billy is thinking, but conceptually it is very hard to do. Unless you are very tuned into your body or happen to have an awesome trainer. Losing fat and gaining muscle is a relatively slow process, contrary to what popular BB magazines and prohormone ads will tell you. I do know a couple guys who have done this haphazardly though. So who knows...it's all subjective. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
I posted the exact same question on the diet board. Got *one* answer though. (just phrased differently) Title= explain this if you can! Whomever it was, he said that it is possible especially for newbies (that hardly train or have never trained) yet it becomes more and more difficult as you become a more experienced lifter. Which is why body for life, which is intended for newbies i guess, works. It is possible. Look at all the body for life champions. I know some of them are bunk, but some aren't. it can be done...dedication is the key. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 127 |
It is definately easier to add muscle at any time (calorie deficit or not) if you have little or no training experience. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 169 |
it took a long time until i got it it down with alot of trial and error with the cals pro and carbs but on my last cycle i gained 15lbs and bodyfat dropped 1 %everyone just has to learn how their body works!alot of people say this cause they can't handle a clean diet with alot of cals so they make this excuse and go have their big macs and fries and then say i have to eat this to gain muscle- bullshit! i had a guy tell me that cause i gained 15 lbs that my diet wasn't right then he told me he gained 28 lbs on a similiar cycle but and lost 12 of it and body fat went up 2%-after i pointed out he was an idiot and did the math for him he said wll maybe your right! no shit! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
i know it can be done ,i've done it! |
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posted January 20, 2001 02:28 AM