GEORGE SPELLWIN'S ANNOUNCEMENTS
Enlightening Men about Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding for over Two Decades
|
 Elite Fitness Bodybuilding, Anabolics, Diet, Life Extension, Wellness, Supplements, and Training Boards
 Anabolic Discussion Board
 Clomid entire cycle
|
| Author | Topic: Clomid entire cycle | ||
|
Cool Novice 
Posts: 41 |
I am getting ready to start an omna/deca/dbol cycle. What are the advantages/disadvantages of taking clomid for my entire cycle. I am a little prone to gyno and do not want take any chance of getting it. This cycle will be heavier than any I have done before.    | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 51 |
Opinions vary but i only use clomid at the end. Proviron would be better. Do you have any novaldex on hand?  | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 42 |
most people i know, including myself, take clomid thru out the cycle to keep the nuts going alittle. because clomid stimulates natural test, this will keep your nuts from totally shutting down. i dont use clomid as an anti-estrogen, i always have nolvadex on hand. but if you can get is clomid, than 50mg EOD, or even better, 50mg ED. it will help with gyno and keep your boys alive. hope this helps you out. peace...Arms | ||
|
Novice 
Posts: 3 |
The clomid will also help keep down water retention | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
I have tons of clomid, and a 3 strips of nolvadex. How often shoud I take the clomid during my cycle, when should I start it? | ||
|
Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 347 |
Does clomid during cycle really make a noticeable difference with water retention? I would prefer to save it for post cycle only. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
The stuff is so cheap I am willing to take it throughout my entire cycle if it is going to save my nuts and even decrease my water retention. Are there any down sides to taking it throughout the cycle ed or eod? | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 918 |
I don't think there are any real long term sides. As long as you can deal with that sorta sappy-nostalgic-weepy feeling sometimes. | ||
|
Freak 
Posts: 1824 |
Taking Clomid during your cycle is useless. Unless you are taking it for the shear sport of shooting big loads. ------------------ | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1177 |
Ulter, A little Peter North action isnt so bad is it?  ------------------ | ||
|
Freak
Posts: 1824 |
Just be careful where you point that thing you could put someone's eye out. ------------------ | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 189 |
i dunno about you guys, but taking clomid even eod, i hate it, makes me moody.. i can feel the mood difference on the days that i take and on the days that i dont.. makes you feel like a woman almost.. anyway.. my experience.. | ||
|
Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 918 |
I saw the English Patient the other day, and I was all choked up and teary at the end. Clomid is disturbing in that respect. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
O.K. so I will save my nuts, hold less water, and shoot big loads. But all this comes at the cost of being a moody like a female? So what does everyone think, is the moodiness worth it? | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 25 |
I always take 50mg eod. My wife loves how it keeps my nuts big and juicy. It isn't the best as an anti-estrogen, but it does help. Like you said, it is cheap enough to use throughout and won't hurt anything. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 32 |
I agree with Ulter. If your test levels are already high Clomid isn't going to stimulate you to produce more. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
But is not going to work somewhat as a safety net for me? Potecting me a little fro gyno even getting a chance to start? | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
bump | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 182 |
The use of clomid is to restart your HPTA which tells your body to restart your body's own test.. Obviously he can't because of the large amounts already in your system. It's a waste to take it during cycle... Dark Stalker | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 298 |
Bump for Deezler. Some women can't get pregnant because they don't secrete enough LH and FSH at the right time during the cycle and, as a result, they don't ovulate. For these women, the first drug doctors often prescribe is clomiphene citrate (Clomid, Serophene). This synthetic drug stimulates the hypothalamus to release more GnRH, which then prompts the pituitary to release more LH and FSH, and thus increases the stimulation of the ovary to begin to produce a mature egg. Structurally like estrogen, clomiphene binds to the sites in the brain where estrogen normally attaches, called estrogen receptors. Once these receptor sites are filled up with clomiphene, they can't bind with natural estrogen circulating in the blood and they are fooled into thinking that the amount of estrogen in the blood is too low. In response, the hypothalamus releases more GnRH, causing the pituitary to pump out more FSH, which then causes a follicle to grow to produce more estrogen and start maturing an egg to prepare for ovulation. Typically, a woman taking clomiphene produces double or triple the amount of estrogen in that cycle compared to pretreatment cycles. Clomiphene is a very safe medication with relatively few contraindications. Preexisting liver disease is one contraindication since clomiphene is metabolized by the liver. THERE IS A FEEDBACK LOOP THAT PRODUCES BOTH TESTOSTERONE AND SEMEN. SEMEN I BELIEVE IS MADE IN THE SERTOLI CELLS OF THE TESTES, TESTOSTERONE IN THE LEYDIG? CELLS. (I'M GUESSING ON THAT ONE.) BOTH ARE PRODUCED UPON STIMULATION OF THE SO-CALLED FSH AND LH. FSH - FOLLICLE STIMULATING HORMONE CLOMID STIMULATES THE PRODUCTION OF FSH AND LH WHICH IN TURN GENERATES MORE TESTOSTERONE AND SEMEN PRODUCTION IN MEN. (IN WOMEN IT STIMULATES THE PRODUCTION OF EGGS THUS CLOMID'S PRIMARY USE AS A FERTILITY DRUG.) AS WE AGE WE PRODUCE LESS TESTOSTERONE. SOME ADVOCATE A TESTOSTERONE PATCH ETC AS A REMEDY. I PREFER THE PRECURSOR ROUTE USING THE CLOMID. I BELIEVE THIS IS PREFERABLE TO THE UNFETTERED INTRODUCTION OF TESTOSTERONE INTO YOUR SYSTEM AS THAT CAN TRIGGER THE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK LOOP WHICH WILL SHUT OFF YOUR OWN NATURAL TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION. THIS HAPPENS WHEN YOUR BODY SENSES THERE IS TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE FLOATING AROUND IN THE BLOODSTREAM. USING A PRECURSOR SUCH AS CLOMID IS FAR LESS LIKELY TO TRIP THE SWITCH WHICH SHUTS OFF TESTOSTERONE. HCG is best used during a long cycle as a means of stimulating natural Testosterone production, rather than at the end of a cycle. The reason for this is that the surge of T from HCG will trigger more negative feedback, which is exactly what you don't want at the end of a cycle when you should be trying to coax natural T production to come back online. Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) is more effective than HCG at the end of a cycle. It blocks estrogens at the hypothalamus. This reduces the negative feedback from high estrogen levels and allows for a resumption of natural T production. Clomid will not block the feedback that results from high androgen levels but androgen based feedback dominates only when T levels are very high, such as during a cycle when HCG is the better choice. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
I just started my cycle on Tuesday and I plan on taking Clomid at the end. Do you think I should rely soley on the Clomid for anti-estrogen or should I get something else as well? | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Get something else B. Juice. I think it is better to use Nolvadex throughout the cycle then use clomid at the end. This can also make the clomid more effective because your body isn't used to the same thing. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
I thought that nolvadex should be used only to stop gyno, and that used throughout the entire cycle it would hinder gains. Is this true? Very informative post stew meat, it was however a little over my head. | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 298 |
Anytime you are blocking estragen receptor sites, you are hindering gains. Nolvadex just works better than proviron at blocking estrogen receptors so they say it hinders gains more. I'd use proviron throughout. It's weaker. If you need nolvadex, then use it. That's me. But the hinderance in gains won't be much. So it depends on you. Would you rather hinder your gains some and double guard against onset of gyno, or maximise your gains and run a slight risk. I'd like to tell you which one to choose. If you had gyno (lumps in your breast that became tender) as a young teenager (as I did) you are suceptable and I would recomend proviron starting the 3-4th week and use a mild dose throughout. If you start feeling discomfort in your nipples, get some Arimedex; if you can't afford it, get some Nolvedex. I personally don't like the use of clomid throughout. Why stimulate your own test production whenever you are taking drugs that are hindering that. -Stew | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Thanks for the post stewmeat. I really appreciate it. | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 39 |
at least if you use clomid throught your nuts dont shrink.how about if you hook up with a hottie and go to bang her and yo have no balls. she gets past it with a little smerk then goes down on you and wants you to cum all over her face but when you cum its only a little drop of jiz.clomid is your best protection from shooting blanks | ||
|
Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 152 |
Bro, Im prone to gino but i would not bother with using clomid EOD for the entire cycle unless your doing 1000mg + of test if your doing 800mg + of deca i would add some whinny to your cycle say 20mg up to 30mg per day. Thie whinny will stop progesterone (is that how you spel it...?) gino from the deca as taking clomid or novladex will not do alot to prevent gino on a deca cycle. ------------------ | ||
|
Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Thanks for the info. |
All times are ET (US) | |
 |
|
|
posted January 20, 2001 01:12 AM