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 THESAINT has tests showing ttokkyo products are underdosed!
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 416 |
Finally someone will be able to back up their claim and post the scans/assays. I'm ready when you are 'Saint. Post 'em! "where there's smoke there's fire and ttokkyo is going down in flames..." You really stand behind this statement, Saint? Don't make yourself look like an ass... AGAIN. I thought you learned last time that you can attack me all you want... Say I am a "fed", or I own Ttokkyo labs, or that I shot JFK...whatever floats your boat. But your motives for doing so are crystal clear, and the bottom line is what you say about me doesn't affect a company in Mexico one bit. If I stop posting tomorrow, you may be a happier person, but ttokkyo sales won't drop. Dude, quick question--- Is ttokkyo dbol still relabled thai anabol? Or is ttokkyo nandrolona300 still relabled norandren200 tested at 176mg/ml? Yes, you are a genius (in your own mind), hopefully this time you will have some proof to back up your claims. I await those scans, and apologize to the board for openly venting.... And please, Saint... No more emails asking me for a ttokkyo supplier- I DON'T DO THAT SHIT!     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 357 |
HA HA Saint.SLAM,two points for Damian.Let's see your scans Saint ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 334 |
I want to see them, too. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 767 |
i can not wait | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 416 |
Yo Saint, you keep emailing me telling me you are in possession of these tests that will prove you were right about ttokkyo all along... So what are you waiting for. Post them. Stop crying like a bitch and post your damn scans. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 237 |
why don't everyone quit bashing this tokkyo stuff, if it works it works, and people are getting results. Just let it be and we'll se how it all plays out | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 6 |
Damian, Stop with the personal insults or your post will be deleted. | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2424 |
E1 , 3 post and reg june 2000. intersting. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 237 |
E1, who the hell do you think you are, like you can delete a post, you E2 wanna be | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 416 |
Yes he has come out of hiding just to admonish me. Thanks for the advice, E1..Your opinion really matters. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 6 |
Okay genius...we'll see if any of your posts every make it for more than a few hours... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1339 |
E1 KNOW YOUR PLACE AND YOUR ROLE | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 627 |
REALLY, E1 SHUT YOUR MOUTH. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 796 |
4hrs 25mins... Thats more than a few hours e1... I am curious for a rebutle here. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 45 |
PREACH ON BROTHER DAMIAN,WE'RE BEHIND YOU TTOKKYO RULES!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
Boooooooooooyaaaah! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 436 |
hey E1 you skinny jackass get rid of my post i dare you if you do it well me GAMEOVER ON YOUR ASS!!!!AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE E1 CUZ ULTRAGAINZ SAID SO!!!!!!dickhead | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1163 |
Damian caught a LOT of shit when he first came on this board when he started talking about TTOKKYO LABS and alot of people like Will Ekard aka Mike Barr, The Saint and others that have Denkall on the brain called him a propogandist and sales rep for TTOKKYO. He is not attacking the saint but merely telling him to post his scans or shut the fuck up. Irregardless TTOKKYO has passed the test anecdotally (amongst thousands of users) and in various lab tests. Bottom line-put up or shut up. ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 2 |
So it should be known.... Four or more years ago, D.B. was already known as one of the most respected memebers of a few different boards. He is totally correct in his posts, and if you don't know the whole Mike Barr/Will Eckerd/etc. story all the way back to Hardbody Supplements(remember that fiasco old timers? Listen and learn... Peace. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5253 |
E1,shut your stinking pie hole.Saint,put up,or shut up,I'm tired of all this worthless chatter that goes no where...Ttokkyo is the only company making any kind of advances,and their products are making consumers more than happy.Nuff said... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited January 20, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 416 |
Casamere- do we know each other? Regardless, thanks for the props. Huck- I agree, I am sick of defending ttokkyo (but I will as long as people attempt to spread lies), and the only reason I made this post is because THESAINT was so adamant (via email) in telling me how he has tests that will prove he was right about ttokkyo all along, and how he was going to vindicate himself and make me look bad or something. So I called him on it, and just as I expected he provides no test or even bothers to answer the thread. I guess he has less faith in his own test than I do. Now this thread can die. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Not this bullshit again from Dumbassian Borleone. First the old issues. I have had a lab report showing Ttokkyo300 at 176mgs for over 6 mos and Dumbassian knows this. I don't have a scanner so let me find the report and I'll have someone scan it. Now to new issues. Luckily Dumbassian, I DO save e-mails. Damian says "Don't ask for a supplier, I don't do that." Quote from Damians e-mail, "I haven't been posting much lately because I got busted by local Simi P.D. for sales/distribution, possession of Ketamine,steroids and GBL. They caught me with over 50K in gear and 40K in cash. I will have the Ttokkyo Rep e-mail you." Damian tries to cloud the issue of him being personally connected to Ttokkyo by throwing in "I am a fed or I shot JFK." Quote from another Damian e-mail,"The reason I knew Ttokkyo labs was legit is because I am the person giving Dr.Molina and J.Bravo the information as to what products should be made. So yes, I do have a vested interest in the company. Just couldn't post it for obvious reasons." You sheep need to know who you're following. My friends in San Diego say they have had to cover thier tracks because of Damians bust. Brothers are getting contacted. Damian likes to go into the archives. Well lets do that. Damian says Denkall is being shut down for tax evasion. Still waiting. Damian is a respected member of the boards. What boards. He never uses Monitors on this board as references because they can't be bought off with Ttokkyo deals. He only posts to bash Denkall or promote Ttokkyo. How about helping the brothers out on a variety of bbing subjects. Know who you're dealing with brothers. In this business you have to watch your backs. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4415 |
Gotta side with damian and the boys on this. He has proven very knowledgable on ttokkyo and mex gear in general. He never claimed to be a body builder, as far as I can see, and who cares - I only value knowledge - I don't discriminate where its coming from as long as its verifiable - and thus far I haven't seen anything false being posted. I was one of the skeptics early on, just because of all the shit that was going on - I simply said we should all let some time past and see if one sides points are being proven and also to ONLY let the lab scans speak for themselves, anyone can say something is underdosed or "shit" but lab work is alot more credible than any vets word IMHO. Only thing Im saying is Ttokkyo products are good (from personal use, friends use, and lab scans I have seen) and there is no debating that denkall products are good. It just so happens tokkyo is advancing for our benefit and they seem to cater to our community - I think this is beneficial to us AND they typically cost a lot less than denkall. Still the denkall products are good, and I still use them as well as ttokkyo stuff. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) [This message has been edited by Slopain (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Slopain, Why do you say Ttokkyo is "advancing for our benefit" like they're unique in that aspect. Advancing means they have come up with something new. They have just copied proven gear and made them alittle stronger. Denkall has been doing that for years ie. Ultragan 100mg EQ instead of everyone elses 50mg, and is continuing with 10mg d-bol caps and their already licensed 400mg/ml sust. Their fina will be out shortly as soon as licensing is worked out. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4415 |
Im lookinf foward to all that too! I know ultragan was a big step for us all, but now its the 200mg/ml stuff that is ahead. I am not speaking bad about denkal and I can't wait to see some newer/stronger products but I also know they may be a little more costly (which isnt a big deal to me I like to buy quality products which they both are). The fina I hear for ttokkyo will be out in early feb, I cant wait to see denkalls and ttokkyos new products, and they all excite me. Lately though ttokkyo and even to some extent loeffler have been putting out products tailor made for the bb community. Im sure denkall will respond (they have already started to by the looks of what you say in the previous post) and am looking foward to it. Competition is a wondefull thing. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) [This message has been edited by Slopain (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
I agree Slopain. I wish Denkall was cheaper. I don't know why they are more expensive unless it's because of tighter quality control therefore higher lab costs. btw:I also value knowledge. I have never saw a lab report from Damian from an independent lab and if you read my whole thread his info is verifiably tainted therefore questionable. I never said Ttokkyos products were counterfeit just underdosed. So when some brothers say they work. Sure they work. You are getting 176mgs of deca. There are alot of brothers new to the gear game that couldn't tell the difference between reg deca(200mg) and 176mg. My partner (Mr.Ind. Mr.USA 5th the Mr.World) could tell. [This message has been edited by THESAINT (edited January 21, 2001).] [This message has been edited by THESAINT (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1175 |
All this bickering back-and-forth is purely hearsay. The only thing that I trust are independent lab results that I have seen. I reported on this a few months ago, and I also talked with the individual that did the testing -- a very cooperative person. The lab results showed that Ttokkyo made a good product (also the Tornel Nandrolona). So, instead of trying to rip each other apart through postings, provide proof to back up your statements! Otherwise all it is is crap! which I'll ignore... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1175 |
First the Ttokkyo Deca 300 tested at 176 mg/ml and now the Ttokkyo Testonon also tested at exactly 176 mg/ml also? Hmmm... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Gymrat, Obviously you have a problem either reading or comprehending the whole thread. There is no hearsay. I said give me some time to find the lab report(which Damian has never posted) otherwise the rest of the thread is verifiable, can you understand that? Verifiable which makes it fact not hearsay. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 730 |
i just hope these companies continue to go back and forth like you guys===cause that will make more juice and stronger juice for everyone; BRAVO!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5253 |
THEN LET'S SEE IT.SURELY YOU KNOW SOMEONE WITH A SCANNER,IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE.ALL I HAVE SEEN IS IDLE CHATTER HERE,WITH "ZERO" PROOF.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
Huckleberry, another Dumbass. I have to find the lab report, then I'll post it. That's a small part of the thread. I have the e-mails NOW DUMBASS.So what do you mean "zero proof?" The only thing idle is between your ears. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 5253 |
Wow that's just great,now you you're resulting to personal insults,AND YET YOU STILL HAVE NOT SHOWN ANY PROOF.TALK IS CHEAP... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1150 |
this is a debatable subject i have also seen scans from i think Conan posted the saying that the ttokkyo products were correctly dosed! EQ was tested 2 different bottles one was like 198mg and the other very close or some shit like that...He posted the actual lab results.....There is always going to be a debate on dosage but use what works for you and grow.....I am taking the ttokkyo Eq right now and i am very happy with it. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1194 |
Why doesnt someone post the ttokkyo scans I saw here 2 weeks ago. Is that not proof enough to back Damians statements?? I did see those scans and they all stated higher concentrations except for cyp, which was 3 mg short. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
Hey Saint 1.)You say that you have had these lab results for 6 months; well how much more time do you need to find a scanner and come up with proof; maybe a couple of years???(or maybe until you can have time to make up some fake documents) 2.) You say now that you need time to find the results. Well when you just recently posted them did they vanish into fucking thin air or what? Saint I do not know you but you sure have a ton of excuses why you don't have any proof; all of which are quite lame. Bottom Line: We have all seen actual scans that PROVE that Ttokkyo's shit is right on the money if not better. Until you can provide ACTUAL PROOF and not some krapp hearsay then I suggest you just keep your results to yourself and your close friends who appreciate your bullshit, but get if off this board where we are much more intelligent than that. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 480 |
Not letting this one get down there too far...bump. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1892 |
hey fellas..just popping my head in here... DB-remember when you privatly emailed accusing you of being a fed..like I said..I promised you I never said such a thing..but it seems like the whole board thinks this... saint-- your saying things Ive always said before..when a company comes out with a new product everymonth you have to be suspicious and investigate.... tokkyyo to advane our cause..please , they are vet lab..advance your meds to help those animals like your supposed to...dogs dont need 50mg dbols..Im not bashing you guys dr molina..so chill..... id like to see some lab results too....still willing to try this stuff, but my insticnt at this point says no.. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1280 |
MUSCLESTUD, Where did you come up with that statement? I didn't just post the lab results. I haven't been on the board much lately because we're training for an NPC show in July. We also have guest posing slots at the Mr.Ind. and two other smaller shows in between. The point I was trying to make is it is a proven fact that Damian is personally involved with Ttokkyo. Any thinking individual would be cautious when dealing with someone that can personally gain from statements and would ask HIM for lab reports. I have nothing to gain. I don't get any special prices or deals from Denkall. I don't sell Denkall products.I just wanted to help out the brothers but I see the sheep will follow only their shepard even disregarding proof he has alterior motives. So I will not be posting on this board any longer. I will still post the lab report but I'm sure you sheep will say that was the only vial ever made at that dosage so why bother.I have body builders to deal with. You sheep keep dealing with Ttokkyo after all it is a vet product. [This message has been edited by THESAINT (edited January 21, 2001).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
SAINT, the issue that I think everyone on this board is concerned about is the validity of ther recent claims on various boards of supposed Ttokkyo products being underdosed. I do not know DB nor do I care whom he way work for or with; all I know is the following facts: 1.) There have been several posts of actual lab scans that all verify Tokkyos shit is good. Based on those facts I think common sense dictates to ignore various claims of lab tests until proof can be produced and to make claims such as that without being prepared to provide proof is just plain wrong. Also people please consider that while Mexico Vet stuff has previously been shit it would make no sense for Ttokkyo to produce krapp products. It is so inexpensive to make this stuff down there and the amount of money they would save by underdosing is minute. On the other hand if they can come up with quality products then they can corner the market. Do you think that Dr. Lee is that stupid to ruin such an opportunity. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 114 |
ok i beleive in ttokkyo products and don't really have a problem with the other mex. gear.so lets say ttokkyo is under dosed,if it is every1 still loves the stuff and i've heard nothing but positive things about ttokkyo.i dont care about a lab scan if its working great,the proof is what is it doing for you? we the bbers are the lab and the results are awesome, case closed.i'll continue to buy ttokkyo gear. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4415 |
I hear you HS, but lets not forget that every EVERY lab scan shows them very correctly dosed and in most cases even higher than label claimed. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) |
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posted January 19, 2001 03:04 PM
, at least five or six years ago...Then.