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The Man Child

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posted January 19, 2001 07:57 AM

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I was reading an old post on Elite about what to take if your a college football player. The writer of the post was planning on taking Test Prop, Ref B, and Winny. He was obviously worried about the 3 month clearance time on longer acting Testosterone.

A reply to the post said that he should dump the Prop and the Ref B and only keep the Winny if he could afford it. His reasons were that he could pass a NCAA drug test much sooner than the 3 months they say is on Enanthate. He said in order to pass a test you have to beat the 6:1 epitest/test ratio. And that you could beat that much sooner than you think. And that you'd get busted for the Ref B more than likely rather than anything else.

So my question is, would you take the risk and substitute Enanthate for Propionate and agree with what he said on the Epitest/Test ratio thing. Or stick with the Prop.??


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DRRman

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posted January 19, 2001 08:18 AM

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definitely prop over the enanthate, much faster acting


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The Man Child

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posted January 19, 2001 09:59 AM

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I know its faster acting but this guy was saying that Enanthate is better and I'll like the results better. And it wouldn't matter which one I chose because I'd still be able to beat a NCAA test.


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The Man Child

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posted January 19, 2001 10:23 AM

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important post, so it gets a bump


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The Ghost

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posted January 19, 2001 10:44 AM

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"And that you'd get busted for the Ref B more than likely rather than anything else."

How in the hell would he get busted for taking Ref-B, which happens to have a half life of about 4 hours? In addition, prop is in and out of you system very quickly. Enanthate is a long acting ester of testosterone that has a half life of roughly 5 or 6 days. Do the math and you will see that enanthate will keep your test level elevated for a very long time with several injections. Prop is in and then out.

Try to find the link to that response. I would be real interested to see who wrote that shit.

-TG


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The Man Child

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posted January 19, 2001 11:32 AM

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I'm not talking about half lives. And neither is the originator of that post. We are talking about clearance times. And the amount of Testosterone needed to be present in the blood or urine to pass a 6:1 epitest to test ratio.

This is a complicated subject and its not as basic as just worrying about half lives of steroids.

On the ref b, since it is a synthetic version of testosterone made from the same molecule but isn't directly a test it can be detected for the entire 5 week clearance time. Where as a test pyramids its strength and builds so on that fourth or fifth week you blow up and the following weeks there after the test begins to decrease at a faster rate than you would think. Thus you might be able to pass a 6:1 test.

So....should I go with enan. or prop? or aratest?

I know that short cycles of Aratest would probably be the best route to go. But we'll see....


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The Man Child

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posted January 19, 2001 04:08 PM

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shameless bump


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