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rugbyplayer

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posted January 18, 2001 04:45 PM

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I have 20 Omna, 200 d-bol, 12 Deca(2cc,100mgper), 5 strips(60)of clomid, 4 strips(40) of nolvadex, 100ml of B-12, 100 clen, and a strip(10) of anadrol(which I am having second thoughts about using because of its dirty reputation, probably just sell it). This will be my second serious cycle.I would like to start my cycle by Monday. I am 6'1" 217,9% b.f.
I am planning on taking the omna e.o.d. until it is gone after reading a post on here awhile back. I will probably use the clen after the cycle to try to cut up my gains. Would some of the experienced juicers out there please give me a hand with my cycle. I have alot of money(for me) invested in this so I want to do it right. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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ultragainz

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posted January 18, 2001 04:59 PM

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i would just use omna d-bol deca.
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!


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rugbyplayer

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posted January 18, 2001 05:36 PM

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Thanks for the reply ultragainz I really appreciate it. Would someone please let me know how I should cycle everything together?


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posted January 18, 2001 05:49 PM

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hey bro
i will give a shot at helping ya but first i would like to know what your previous cycle included as far as doses go....THANX

peace
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rugbyplayer

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My first cycle was 10cc of sust for 8 weeks, with 500mg for 2 of those weeks. My next was 17cc of sust going up to 750mg for three weeks, 100 d-bol, 10cc of d-bol, followed by 20cc of winstrol. Since my first cycle I have went from 185 to 230, I have settled at 215-220 for the last 6 months. My last cycle was around 10 months ago. What do you think about that cycle of 1 amp of omna eod? The post I read on it really got me pumped to try it out. I also have had blood work done before and after every cycle by a friend of mine who is a doc and everything has always looked great. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, it is really appreciated.


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Montecristo

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posted January 18, 2001 07:41 PM

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send it all to me, i'll try it out and if its ok, ill let you know how i did it... wouldn't want to see you get hurt!

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rugbyplayer

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posted January 18, 2001 07:51 PM

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Thanks for looking out for me, it is nice to see there are still good people out there.


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MUSTANG_18

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posted January 18, 2001 08:00 PM

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HEY BRO I WOULD TRY THIS

WEEK****OMNA****D-BOL****DECA****CLOMID**
1*******750******30ED*****400************
2*******750******30ED*****400************
3*******750******30ED*****400************
4*******750******30ED*****400************
5*******750******30ED*****400************
6*******750***************400************
7*******750***************400************
8*******750***************400************
9*************************400************
10************************400************
11*********************************100ED*
12**********************************50ED*
13*********************************50EOD*
HAVE NOLVA ON HAND JUST IN CASE OF GYNO. EAT LIKE A HORSE, TRAIN HARD AND SLEEP. GOOD LUCK ON THE CYCLE.

M18


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MUSTANG_18

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PS... IF YOU COULD GET MORE OMNA YOU CAN DO 750MG/WEEK BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET ANY MORE JUST DO 750 FOR THE FIRST 4 WEEKS AND TAPER TO 500. HOPE THIS HELPS

M18


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Thanks Mustang, do you think it would be a bad idea to go 250eod with the omna. I got that from this post awhile back. Here is a copy...One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper dosages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate.

I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop 60mg of phenylprop 60mg of isocaproate 100mg of deconate Combined to give you 250mg. Now everyone knows for themselves how much test they should take due to previous cycles or no cycles at all. Let's take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body.

30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.

60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different from prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.

To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to suppress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus.

60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.

100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon.

If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story).

The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides? There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "Inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do their work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay around 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. I guinea pigged this idea when BIGDAWG and I were discussing it many months back, and damn it was a really good cycle. Not as good as 1000mg of aratest a week, but still a pretty good cycle. I have cycled sus/omna both ways, and trained relatively the same with the same kind of diet. The difference in the two cycles were like night and day, about a 15-17 pound difference, and two amps of omna a week was my first cycle too. You know, the one you are supposed to grow the most off of because of the virgin receptors. So test may be test, but you will not get the same results from every ester out there if you don't know how to time them. If you are thinking of a sus/omna cycle, give this a try. I promise you will not be disappointed, and you just may thank me and DAWG later......peace


Thanks for all the help bros.


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Bump.


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THE BOUNCER

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posted January 19, 2001 12:48 AM

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YES PUT THEM TOGETHER


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posted January 19, 2001 01:13 AM

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Thnks for the reply. Do you think eod is the way to go with the omna?


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dissto

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DO EOD, i would even do ED. trust me it sounds like its a lot of test, but with the esters, its not. if you go ED, you are getting 600 to 800 mg a week of steady test. go for it. you will not be disapointed!!!


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Thanks for the reply dissto. Would going ED not be to much for my second or third cycle? Also, when the deca kicks in will that bump my test level well over the 600-800 level?
Does anyone have any suggestions for how I should cycle the deca when I go eod or even ed? I have 12 2cc amps.
Also I am thinking of rubbing some fina with my clen at the end of my cycle. How long should I wait before I start these two?
I appreciate the replies.


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bump for more replies.


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Has anyone out there tried the omna/sust EOD throughout a cycle? If so, let me know how it went.


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Has anyone done a similar cycle? will you post it?


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posted January 20, 2001 04:42 PM

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Hello?


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THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING DEFINATELY WORTH TRYING. YOU ONLY TAKE THE SUST OR OMNA FOR FIRST 3 WEEKS? IS THIS RIGHT?
IM GOING TO DO THIS MY NEXT BULKING CYCLE. THE ONLY THING IS SUST MAKES THE INJECTION SPOT VERY SORE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTERWORD. ESPECIALLY IF ITS NOT MIXED WITH ANYTHING ELSE. GUESS ILL HAVE TO START HITTING THE SHOULDERS AND THIGHS A LOT DURING THAT CYCLE. IF ANYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO TRY THIS PLEASE KEEP US POSTED.


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I am going to go for it eod, I do not believe my body is ready for ed. Does anyone out there have experienc with this type of cycle? If so, let us know how it went.


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