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dballistic

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posted January 15, 2001 04:49 PM

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Brothers,

After my last sust/deca/dbol bulking cycle in oct/nov, I went from 195 to 225 (30 #'s)but with the addition of a lot of water and bodyfat. I've since lost a lot of water, and some fat by cutting down the calories and popping some nolva .. and I'm down to 210 now. I dont know my exact bodyfat % .. but i'd assume i'm anywhere from 18-20%. The only visible fat on me is a large belly and my face is a little bigger. Goals are to harden up and loose my belly. Cardio and diet will obviously be very strict.

I'm planning to get 2 bottles of Stanazolic for $210/ea (50mg a day oral), and also some EQ (probably fort dodge ... and i'm planning to do 300mg/week)

Please let me know the following:

1. How is my dosages sound? suggestions?
2. Price check on stanazolic and fort dodge EQ
3. How many calories should I consume during this cycle? Should I keep protein at 1g/lb?

One lesson I did learn is that "eat everything in sight" when bulking doesnt work too well for anyone but ectomorphs. Next bulk cycle (in fall) i'll stick to lean meat,fish, and MRP's.

Thanks in advance.


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dballistic

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posted January 16, 2001 03:18 AM

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bump for some help


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The Ghost

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posted January 16, 2001 09:00 AM

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I agree with you. I have made that exact mistake in the past on several occasions. I didn't necessarily eat everything in site, but I was trying to follow many people's advice and eat way more calories than I actually needed. I ended up growing some serious fat around my midsection and it was disheartning to say the least. If you got fat during your bulking cycle, then despite what people may say, you consumed more calories than your body needed. Simple logic should prevail here. Anyway, for your cutting cycle I would certainly suggest first and foremost that you clean up your diet and significantly reduce your calories. You must be in a caloric deficit everyday in order for your body to start using that stored fat you have accumulated.

Secondly, you will want to add some cardio to your workout routine. Start by doing a little, and as you build up your endurance, increase it accordingly. I would say to start doing cardio at 3x per week at a minimum of 30 minutes per session. Gradually increase the cardio, working up to around 5-6x per week at 30 minutes to one hour per day.

You sound like you have a similar problem as I do, that is you gain fat around your midsection easily. It sucks, but you can beat it. If you listen to some people, they will tell you not to do cardio and just to cut your calories. Others will tell you to eat some insane amounts of food per day while doing cardio. This is stupid. Your goal is to maintain your LBM and lose your adipose tissue. You will not lose fat if you eat more than you burn, plain and simple. I don't see how people manage to overcomplicate such an easy concept.

After you realize that the above two methods are more important than the drugs you choose to use, then you are destined for success. EQ and winny is very good for maintaining LBM while lowering your calories and adding cardio. I have found that if you add a bit of test to that stack, you will not lose too much LBM at all. Test maintains your LBM like no other compound. But EQ and Winny will work. It takes much hard work and dedication, but if you stick with it, and remain patient, you will be sucessful.

Take care and good luck.

-TG


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dballistic

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posted January 16, 2001 03:08 PM

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Thank you .. That was very motivational. I agree with everything you said. I'm going to follow that routine with extreme discipline.

One more question ... I've got a lot of T3 on hand but I've been afraid of using it because if its catabolic properties. Would the EQ and Winny be enough to sustain my LBM while I do some T3, or would test be more of a guarantee. Also, how much test is needed for cutting? Is 250mg/week of sust enough?

Thanks again.


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The Shadow

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posted January 16, 2001 03:22 PM

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IMHO - ALL cycles should be run with 25 mcg T-3 through-out.


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ORGANON CANON

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posted January 16, 2001 03:32 PM

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I know that people say winny and primo will prevent the loss of muscle while cutting but will you gain any? I am about to do my first cycle of sust/deca/d-bol/primo and my second cycle is going to be a primo/winny cycle. I have some dnp on hand and was going to take that before each cycle, but my question is if I run the winny depot at 200mg a week and the primo at 400mg a week will I still gain anything? I am at about 15% body fat now and hoping to drop that with dnp before I bulk, and a month after the bulk I am using the dnp again and the the primo winny cycle, will I be able to acheive a lean hard look at the end of this?
My diet is correct and I have been a serious lifter for 4 years.


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The Ghost

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posted January 16, 2001 04:32 PM

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"Would the EQ and Winny be enough to sustain my LBM while I do some T3, or would test be more of a guarantee."

Yes, EQ and winny should sustain most of your LBM. Adding test to that mix will most certainly help your chances of retaining the maximum amount of muscle. I am one of those guys who believes that test should be the base drug of nearly every stack. It just works really well for both bulking and cutting. As for the dosage of test, I would advise to use 500mg. If you use 250, then you aren't getting that much more than what your body naturally produces. Remember, when you are in a severe caloric deficit, your body will try to strip away that muscle. Muscle is very metabolically active and it eats up calories at a very high rate. When your body perceives starvation, the quickest way for it to preserve calories is to get rid of what is burning them: muscle. So you may need slightly more test than 250mg per week in order to keep that process from happening. Especially since you plan to use T3.

Organon cannon: it is very hard to build an appreciable amount of muscle when you are restricting your calories. The body needs to be in a postive energy state in order to add new body tissue. It is not impossible to retain much of your muscle, but trying to build it when you aren't really eating that much will be a difficult task. If it is any consolation, I am in my third week of my cutting cycle right now, doing an hour of cardio in the mornings, doing an hour of lifting in the afternoons, only eating around 1,800 cals per day of extremely clean food, and I haven't lost one ounce of strength. I have gone down two pants sizes, but have only lost one pound of body weight.

The key is your diet and work ethic. Also, don't go into your cycle thinking that you are just going to shrivel up. Keep a positive attitude towards it. If you work really hard, eat really well, and tell yourself everyday that you can do it, then you will easily succeed. What the mind can conceive, it can achieve.

Good luck to all of you.

-TG


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