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Stew Meat

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posted January 14, 2001 10:53 PM

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I'm definately a novice juicer. But I've made awsome natural gains. Now I'm ready for bleeding stretch marks! Tell me what you think. If you are not an experienced juicer, advanced vet, mod, etc... please don't pretend.


Week**EQ**T.HEP**Dbol**Primo***Winny**Clomid*HCG***ECA*CLEN***Humilin

1*****500***500***35********************************************
2*****400***400***30********************************************
3*****400***400***30********************************************
4*****400***400***25*********************************************
5*****400***400***20********************************************
6*****400***400*************************************************
7*****400***400*************************************************
8*****400***400**************200********************************
9*****400***400********200***200***50ED***************ED*********
10****300**************200***200***100ED*2500iu********ED*******
11****200**************200***200***50ED**2500iu****ED*********5iu*
12*********************200***200***50EOD**********ED********10iu
13*********************200***200*********************ED*********
14*********************200***200***50ED**2500iu*******ED******6iu*
15*********************200*********50EOD*********ED*********10iu*
16*********************100***********************ED


The insulin is thrown in during the ECA stack weeks as ECA can leat to catabolism. I only plan to use the slin after workouts.
The differing dossages of slin are due to this: first week of use, I will start out at 5iu. I will increase by 1 iu per day until I reach my max of 10 iu. I will use 10iu every workout day post workout till the end of two weeks. Then I'll let my receptors recover and start again at 6iu and increase to 10iu again, only after workouts.

Another reason I added the slin in there at the end is because AS tend to null insulin sensitivity.

I tapered the winney. The only reason I taper it is because it doesn't affect natural test production. If it did affect natural test production, I would keep the dosage the same throughout. If you were to taper something like that, all you would be doing is lowering the amount of anabolic effect. As long as you are injecting anything, your own natural test levels won't kick back in. That's why I didn't taper the Test. I added the Dbol just to give me a good kick start and to help saturate the androgenic receptors while I'm waiting on the Test and EQ.
I tapered the EQ because I don't think it affects natural test levels. I may be wrong on that. I've looked for research to no avail. I almost used Deca but I wanted the appetite stimulation of the EQ.
I may throw in some proviron. I have nolvedex on hand in case of gyno symptoms.

-Stew

[This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited January 16, 2001).]


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DRRman

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posted January 14, 2001 11:13 PM

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i would personally up the dball dosages for the first four weeks, get some arimidex if yoiu are afraid of the water retention. i would also up the primo dosages to at least 400mg per week, i like it where it is though. as for the insulin, i would add it at the begginning and run it for six weeks if it were me. also, take 500 units of HCG per day during week five or six, then take the last 2500 during week 12. also clomid EOD, and two weeks post cycle at 100mg per day

just some suggestions!!


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BigJay81

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posted January 15, 2001 04:32 AM

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If I where you I would drop the clen,eca,and insulin. Your kinda new to gear you say so I really wouldn't over kill it. I would also up the d-bol a few to at least 35mg and go from their.
Also About your protein consumpstion. How much are you planning on taking its very important. Have you tried stews protein...........opps you are stew.lol
Thats all i can think of right now. I'll look a little later to see if I find anything else.

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Stew Meat

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posted January 15, 2001 06:09 PM

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I added the ECA and Clen so that I would trim down. I just have the primo there to solidify my gains. The insulin is to help insure that I don't loose anything due to catabolism of ECA and the fact that I'm going to reduce calories...


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Stew Meat

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posted January 15, 2001 06:54 PM

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Anyone else? MOD?

(bump)


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drummerbuilder

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posted January 16, 2001 03:15 AM

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two things:

1) i'd switch the primo and the winny so that you END with the primo
dosages are fine with both primo and winny just switch what weeks you're doing them

2) whoever told you that winny doesn't affect natural test production is wrong

i also agree with whoever above said to leave the insulin for another time
a "novice juicer" has a lot more juice to take before dipping into that stuff


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Stew Meat

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posted January 16, 2001 01:31 PM

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Thanks DB. I had no idea that Winny would effect natural test levels. I changed some things around a bit. Tell me what you think now.
BTW, I've done insulin a few times before and I like it.

-Stew


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Stew Meat

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posted January 16, 2001 03:48 PM

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bump... anyone?


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Stew Meat

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posted January 16, 2001 06:42 PM

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hmmm... 3 comments... Maybe I should get LUVS2JUICE to post this as his cycle so that I could read his replies... He's already got 20!


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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 16, 2001 06:51 PM

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As BigJay said, you are relatively new to juice? IMO overkill. Insulin for later cycles and for more advanced and primo in the last week at 100mgs, no need what so ever, 200mgs of primo is very low but 100 would be a waste. Dbol try at 30mgs throughout rather than tapering. Why not a short, sweet and simple test, eq, dbol primo cycle.

Test @ 750mgs for 8 wks
Eq @ 400mgs for 10 wks
dbol at 30mgs/day for 5-6 wks
Primo at 300mgs/wk from week 8-12
Nolva/Proviron combo

Just my opinion


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Pharm Animal

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posted January 16, 2001 07:13 PM

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hey stew...

i agree with the iron game, in that your cycle is a bit extreme for a relatively novice juicer, as you imply that you are. test/eq/d-bol is great for someone with only 1-3 cycles under their belt. it's also a lot easier on the wallet than primo and winny

and your comment about luvs2 is so dead on the money...makes me wonder why the hell people cry about this board 'going to shit', while it is the same mother fuckers that fuel the decay of this board by posting garbage to a garbage post

by the way...i'm wanting to look into your protein...jay has convinced me...LOL...drop me an e-mail if you could, bro

[email protected]

thanks,
PA


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