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A comparison.... Test Suspension Test Enanthate 100 mlgs of test ester is not = 100 mlgs of pure test (suspension) When an ester present it's weight is obviously included in the preparation's milligram total. Looking at Test Enanth 100 mlgs of this compound equates to only 72 mlgs of raw Test...... So the Juicer that uses 400 mgs of enanth is realy getting 288 mgs of Test in his/hers body...... This is some good info to know!!! BIZ!! ------------------ GET BIG GUY'S!!!!!!!!! [This message has been edited by BIZ (edited January 13, 2001).]     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Just to add for those who cant, 250mgs of Testoviron Depot = 180mgs of raw test  hehe------------------ | ||
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Khule.......... Ranger | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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While I am reading this I would like some help from those who posses the knowledge. I have been looking into the different esters. Apparently cyp holds more ester than enanthate although I am not 100% sure. I am trying to find out how much is 250mgs of sust in raw test terms. I posted this about a week ago but no one on the board knew the answer? ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Interesting! ------------------
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Elite Bodybuilder
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THANKS... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Cool to know, but what about the other esters? Propionate How much raw test from each? All esters are different in their weight and ability to hold back the raw test for that given amount of time. I wish they mentioned the exact amounts of raw test your getting from the other esters in the testosterone article on this site! Anyone have an idea what they are? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: I agree and was thinking the same thing when I first read it some time ago (I beleive you are referring to the WHAT AN ESTER IS, AND HOW IT WORKS article). Later, | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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That would be it bro! I beleive the whole article is entitled "All Testosterone Esters Are Created Equal" hmm, it doesn't seem like all esters are created the same. | ||
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EASTER THE HOLY DAY WE CELEBRATE...UMMMMM OH WRONG ONE SORRY.......... ESTER: TEST CYP LONG CHEMICAL NAMES FOR THESE ARE (ESTERS),(CARBOXYLIC ACID) THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED TO THE 17 BETA HYDROXYL GROUP OF TESTOSTERONE MOLECULE, WHICH INCREASES THE ACTIVE LIFE SPAN OF THE STYERIOD PREPARATION. SUCH ALTERATIONS WILL REDUCE THE STERIODS LEVEL OF WATER SOLUBILITY, AND INCREASE IT'S OILS SOOLUBILTY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO STRESS THAT THE FACT THAT ESTERS DO NOT ALTER THE ACTIVITY OF THE PARENT STERIOD IN ANY WAY, THEY WORK ONLY TO SLOW IT'S RELEASE...YOU HEAR QUITE OFTEN PEOPLE SPEAK OF THE PROPERTIES OF OF DIFFERENT ESTERS, ALMOST AS IF THEY CAN MAGICLLY ALTER A STERIODS EFFECTIVENESS... NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!! ENANTHATE IS NOT MORE POWERFUL THAN CYPONATE (PERHAPS A FEW EXTRA MILLIGRAMS OF TESTOSTERONE RELEASED PER INJECTION, BUT NOTHING TO NOTE!) NOR IS SUSTANON SOME TYPE OF INCREDIBLE TESTOSTERONE BLEND........ READ BIZ!!! ------------------ GET BIG GUY'S!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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the ester in cyp is heavier thay enanth. but not to a degree that it would make a difference. Let me see if I can find those numbers | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Thanks BIZ. | ||
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Moderator
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IN SOME INSTANCES AN ESTER MAY ACCOUNT FOR ROUGHLY 40% OR MORE OF THE TOTAL STERIOD WEIGHT, BUT THE TYPICAL MEASURE IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 20% TO 35%...... AS FOR THE CYP BEING HEAVIER THAN THE ENANTH BIZ!! ------------------ GET BIG GUY'S!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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At least that has been cleared up, BIZ do you know the amounts of raw test / 100mgs of the 4 different esters in sust/omna. Anyone, any chemists out there or anyone with extensive knowledge on the matter? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Yeah thats right, I got them reversed.They so close in weigh that there is no difference for us. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: The article is a good read but there is one section I've always wondered about (quote follows): "Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by bodybuilders who have used various esterified versions of the same base steroid are just issues of timing. Testosterone enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon, simply because with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and trough much sooner (1-2 week release duration as opposed to 3 or 4). Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug. Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. I must have a "comprehension problem" or something but...Can anyone better articulate why: 1. "...enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon..." 2. "...testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug." Later, [This message has been edited by 1911 (edited January 13, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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So basically your saying sust sucks the most of all cause raw test is so low. And susp is best cus it is pure test. | ||
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Moderator
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Nah bro that is not what is being said...although it does come across that way..... In a nutshell TEST SUSPENSION is the pureist form of Test 100 mlgs is 100 mlgs.....unless there is a underdosed product....Also the fastest in estrogen related sides.... Esters are not dosed as read..... BIZ!!
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Until blood/estrogen levels reach a certain point,estrogen causes no gyno or other sides. Since suspension will be released all in one day,it may cause a high peak blood level of estogen, even if only for one day. The same weekly amount of test taken as enanthate will release test slower, never reach the high blood T levels nessesary to cause enough conversion of estrogen at any one time to take blood levels of estrogen to the level that will cause tit growth. It's not how much estrogen your body has over the week that causes gyno, a high estrogen level will trigger breast growth as soon as blood estrogen levels reach a certain point, which is at the tip of your nipple. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Uh? Of course..never thought of that... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Bump... |
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posted January 13, 2001 02:34 PM
