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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 13, 2001 01:01 PM

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Biz had a post yesterday about tapering and when I arrived home and jumped online I couldn't find it. Just wondering what everyones opinion on this topic is. Here is mine.

Personally, at the start of any cycle I believe in hitting receptors with the maximum dose that would normally be used when peaking in the middle of the cycle. This way they will respond better because so to say they are 'fresh'.

When coming off of a cycle I believe tapering is a waste of time. The theory behind tapering, in my opinion is two fold. Firstly to save a little extra money when money is an issue and secondly but more importantly to lower the amount used to allow the body to return to its normal state of test production and to return all other hormone balance. Why I dont believe in tapering at this time is because accessory drugs such as clomid, hcg and few others can kick start test production and help prevent steroids from aromtaizing when coming off to prevent excess estrogen conversion.

If you analyse being on the average 8 week cycle where tapering is used as follows:

Testosterone: 200, 300, 300, 400, 400, 400, 300, 300, 200 you would over the life of the cycle adminsiter a total of 2800mgs of testosterone.

If not tapering in a cycle you would administer a total of:

Testosterone: 400, 400, 400, 400, 400, 400, 400, 400 in which case the total would be 3200mgs over the life of the cycle.

Comparing the 2800mgs over 8 wks to the 3200mgs over 8 wks I am sure everyone would agree the later would produce better results. When you take into account that natural production ceases at approximately 200mgs of synthetic (if not for a better word) testosterone after 2 wks at that amount there is no reason to taper when coming on. This is not such a large difference but if the peak was to be 6-800mgs then there would be a much larger difference.

I do believe certain steroids should be tapered but for the most part it is not needed.

Views, Difference, Discussion but no flames. If someone can explain differently with proof then I will believe differently.

Peace

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TEXASAMM

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posted January 13, 2001 01:37 PM

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No taper,
there is no proof to lowering said drug will start the body producing test again.your body will not start producing more Test faster because you tapered down from 1000mgs to 750mgs to 500 mgs .It dosen't work like that.

Now I do beleive the body self tapers all drugs and that when your on you should be on.and when it is time to come off.switch to shorter esters to eliminate the drug from the system on the day that you decide to end cycle.

the last 3 weeks I switch to Tp from Sust or Enth.

I Keep orals up to working dosages then stop no taper.(it makes no since to me to lower the amount of a drug each week,)If you are going to use a drug use that drug in a dose that will work.When you are comming close to the end of the course switch to faster acting drugs.you have better control over eliminating them from the system.

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Andy13

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posted January 13, 2001 02:14 PM

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Huh... If I had a quarter for everytime i addressed this topic.. Thankfully I dont have to here since it was well covered in the above posts.

Andy


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BIZ

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posted January 13, 2001 02:24 PM

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Tapering is worthless!! You taper with clomid and hcg.........

BIZ!!

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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 13, 2001 02:31 PM

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BIZ where did your post go that was up yesterday, maybe just me but I could't find it.

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GetHuge

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posted January 13, 2001 05:20 PM

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I'd say no, especially with deca and test, as they are very inhibitory at even 100mg, which we all know will do virtually nothing for gains, so if your going to supress your hpta, you might as well use a dose that will yield some gains.


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winstrol69

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posted January 13, 2001 05:52 PM

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I agree...Taper with hcg/clomid


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