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jeep

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posted January 11, 2001 11:00 PM

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squating? what are the advantages? and are they good to use on a smith machine?
i'm just curious because i never used them before.

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ArnoldWannaBe

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posted January 11, 2001 11:07 PM

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Jeep, if you have never used them do not start. The plates are there so the achilles tendon does not get stretched as much as it would without the plate.

Just stretch more before working out and skip the plate. Besides, you don't see people walking around with 10 lb plates under their feet, do you?


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freshr1

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posted January 11, 2001 11:09 PM

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sm*th machine?! man, dont use that crap for squats, it's original purpose was to be used as a towel rack.

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THeMaCHinE

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posted January 11, 2001 11:11 PM

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no plates no smith

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Wanabebig

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posted January 12, 2001 12:16 AM

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several of the most successful bodybuilders of all time swear by it(arnold). I think if you use it occasionally it would be a good way to hit your muscles in a diff fassion


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thefantom1

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posted January 12, 2001 12:25 AM

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I use 10lbs under my heels..Im working my way down from using 25lbs.. it kept my back straighter..now Im stretching more..plan to go down to 5lbs soon then to nothing..

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bigpun

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posted January 12, 2001 01:17 AM

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I use a mat under my heels instead to help keep my back a little more upright. I find that with long ass legs like mine, the deeper you go in the squat, the more you begin to lean forward. (I believe that's why Arnold did the same thing as he said in his encyclopedia).

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giantset

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posted January 12, 2001 01:23 AM

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I use 10 lbs plates under my feet. My femurs are long so I have to put my knees way in front of my toes when I do full squats. My knees used to hurt like hell from doing this so I started using 10 lbs plates and my knees do not hurt now. I have tried stretching my achilles throughout the day but when I squat all the way down my heels still come up off of the ground. Using the 10 lbs plates was a life saver for me. If you can get away without using them then go for it but if you are physically unable to keep your heels on the ground then use the plates.

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WenchofNazir

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posted January 12, 2001 01:27 AM

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Was taught to always elevate your heels if you don't want glutes to start bulging out on the sides. Makes a nice high round glute when you elevate your heels. Still go deep, ass to the floor.


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BigJay81

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posted January 12, 2001 03:11 AM

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i use the 1/2 lbr's

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Shredder21

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posted January 12, 2001 03:28 AM

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I do this off and on depending on what i want to hit. With a plates under my heels, I feel it isolates my quads more and without it i feel i get a better overall leg workout with hams and glutes included with quads. To me, the added plates just isolate the quads more while minimizing the hams and glutes.


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punisher

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posted January 12, 2001 03:35 AM

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i would try it both ways and see what you like best.I have tried it both ways and prefer doing them with no plates. You are more stable standing flat footed. And squat to the floor.


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WCP

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posted January 12, 2001 03:43 AM

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I use 5lb plates only when I get into heavier poundages, simply cause it helps to stabilize my posture while squatting.

Now on the other hand, I use a 2X4 with grip tape on it while doing front squats...that in itself will ensure you nail your quads totally and involve very little in the glute area.

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Iron Ghost

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posted January 12, 2001 03:45 AM

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Definately feel the hams & glutes working harder when i stand on plates.
Smith machine squats will end up screwing your lower back,imo.

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THeMaCHinE

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posted January 12, 2001 03:47 AM

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Hmmm. Maybe I'll try it with plates next week. I haven't done that in so long that I don't remember how it felt.

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jc21

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posted January 12, 2001 04:19 AM

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i like to use 10's some times, i read somewhere that it isolates the quads more, and that is how i feel it. i dont throw out the smith machine either. i use it every couple months, i like to do high reps on it(20-25). just another view, good luck


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THeMaCHinE

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posted January 12, 2001 04:28 AM

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Smith machine is good for one-legged squats, but places about a 30 percent more load on your lower back for conventional squats as opposed to a bar. It also forces you into a straight vertical groove. I don't like the smith for much.

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stalker

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posted January 12, 2001 09:26 AM

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I'm calling bullshit on everyone always saying to use "ass to the floor" squats. Unless you are 1) very flexible or 2) very short or 3) very short and flexible, ATF squats are a very quick way to mess up your knees by overstressing the tendons/ligaments. If it works for you fine, but I squatted 375 to just below parallel for a long time and built up great legs, then I tried 250 "ass to floor", and my knees never hurt so bad in my life. Why bother when parallel works as well? Even in powerlifting, you only need to break parallel.

Besides, from what I see in the gym on a daily basis, people should be told to try to make it at least halfway to parallel first. Damn "half squatters" are everywhere!


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schlong

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posted January 12, 2001 09:50 AM

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yes Arnold use to use the 2x4 as well. I tried them with plates and without, I like it better without.

As far as the ATF squats go, I'm 6ft. and wouldn't have it any other way, If you are getting terrible knee pains from doing ATF more than likely you're bouncing up from the knees, or its an excuse so you can do partial squats with more weight for a bigger ego.

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stalker

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posted January 12, 2001 10:42 AM

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Why do I need excuses, if I go parallel? If it's good enough form for competition, and my quads look great, why should I expose myself to potential injury?

If I wanted to boost my ego, I'd use 500 pounds and do half squats. Though even half squats have their place in strength training.



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jarabbit

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posted January 12, 2001 11:18 AM

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Got to agree with Stalker. Parallel with good form and not to fast will do just fine! Everyone in my gym is a half squatter if they squat at all. Saw cobwebs on the cage last time. hehehe


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jeep

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posted January 12, 2001 11:30 PM

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thanks for the replys

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