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 front loading with aratest
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I'm thinking of trying a short cycle with aratest (200mg enanthate, 50 mg prop). How do you guys think I should do it? I was thinking maybe 500mg day 1 and 250 mg day 4. Do you think waiting until day 4 for the second injection is too long? I've read mixed opinions about how long enan lasts, but seems to be 10-14 days. Or should I just go with maybe 750mg day 1?     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
Oh yeah, I know the idea is to not suppress your natural test production, but I will have clomid anyway. DO you guys think I should go ahead and get nolva to? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 64 |
I'm interested in hearing peoples opinions on this also. BUMP!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 243 |
I'm not sure what you are doing here. Is 750 Mg. going to be your whole cycle? You won't need nolva for a short cycle, but some more info would help w/ the rest of the questions. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
Well, I think your dosages are a little low. I would do a least 1000mgs, if not more on day one, then about 1/2 to 1/3 of that dosage (depending on how big the first one is) on day 4 or 5. It would work basicly the same as front loading a hell of a lot of enanthtae, but with the added advantage of propinate. If I had a cheap source for the ARA, I would definately use it. One thing you might want to consider is doing bi-daily injections of propinate to keep blood levels steady, for the first 11 days. I have spoken about my usage of clomid, which is basicly a daily thing. I always think it's a good idea, while "on" and then for 2-3 weeks while off, then a complete week off everything. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
Judge, yes that will be my whole cycle as far as the test goes. I may throw some primo in too, but I doubt it. I also have clen and t-3 coming. I already have slin and pgf2. I was kind of trying to avoid posting my idea because I can already see the "dumbass newbie" posts. But, if no one ever tries anything different we will never know. Here's my proposed cycle: week---ara--clen---t-3--clomid---slin---pgf2 1______500___80___25_____0___8-20 iu__0 2____________80---25---50ed----8-20----0 3------------------------50eod--8-20----? 4--------------------------------8-20-----?
Before I get flamed to hell for being a total dumbass, let me explain myself. I cannot put on too much weight too quickly, I am in a position to be caught. I also don't want to be huge anyway, I'm going for more of a men's health look than M&F. Really, if I only stay the same weight and drop bf % I'll be happy. I only want to put on lean mass, even just 3-4 lbs is fine with me. If anyone has any good reason for me to not do this (as in medical reasons) please let me know. If the only reasons I get to not do it are that it won't work as well as this or that I'm probably going to stick with it, although I am open minded. It seems like I read somewhere that clen and t-3 should not be taken together, but I can't remember why and can find no info on it. Any ideas? Thanks again guys. [This message has been edited by nahanrac (edited January 11, 2001).] [This message has been edited by nahanrac (edited January 11, 2001).] [This message has been edited by nahanrac (edited January 11, 2001).] [This message has been edited by nahanrac (edited January 11, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
I'm not 100% sure about the clen and t-3 doses just yet. Probably 25 mcg of t3 every day for the two weeks. I was thinking of two on two off with the clen at 80 mcg, but now I've been reading that doesn't work. What do you guys think? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
What the heck are you trying to do with this cycle? Your using very little test, and the kind of test you are using (the enanthtae part anyway) makes you retain a little water. Your putting that together with clen and T3??? Am I missing something here? if you want to grow, grow, if you want to cut up, cut up, but don't mix and match drugs to try to do both. If you know anything about American muscle cars, you can imagine your body, much like an engine that you want to move a 3200lb car with in under 10 seconds in the quarter mile (generally considered high performance). Now then, to get it there, you have to match up the breathing capabilities of all of the eingine components, the cam size, and the compression ratio. If you have a mammoth duration cam, in a 8:5:1 compression ratio motor, with a truck intake, and a 1700CFM carb, your going to run like shit. Sure, it MAY run, but not well. If you want size, match your drugs up for that goal (ARA being used for that), if you want to cut up (clen+t3), do that. To exagerate what your doing, to get my piont across, it would be like adding anadrol into a cutting cycle, or andriol into a bulking cycle. Define your goals, form a plan of action, execute, record results, modify to acheive the desired results the next time around. This is how you should be operating. I'm not saying this in a belittling way, but I have seen far too much of this recently, so I'm just making a piont out of your case. --==MeanOne==-- ------------------ Owner of "The Anabolic Clinic" UPDATED: 01/02/01 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
This is what I figured I would get. Here are some quotes from 300 kleens site, which are part of what my reasoning is based on. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone, Clenbuterol can cause a solid, highly qualitative muscle growth which goes hand in hand with a significant strength gain. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anticatabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell... Athletes who use low dosages of Cytomel report that by the simultaneous intake of steroids, the steroids become more effective, most likely as the result of the faster conversion of protein. Drexx also advocates the use of t3 for the same reason. I stated my goals, gain a few pounds of lean mass, possibly lose some fat. I think this may be possible. At least what I do gain will most likely be more permanent. Besides, it's a short cycle, so if it doesn't work I'll try something else, no big deal. I just haven't heard of anyone doing this so thought I'd try it. Like I said, I'm not interested in putting on 20 lbs in 6 weeks, I'd get caught anyway. I'm willing to experiment with some different types of cycles, who knows, maybe this will work great. Thanks for the replies | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1220 |
nahanrac: You are right. I advocate using 25mcg of T3 for increased protein synthesis and metabolism. It's a great addition to any cycle. If you want lean mass and not much of it. Don't use insulin. If used properly it will add alot of weight and unfortunatly some fat. I would drop the insulin and do 2 shots of 500mg of test (Day 1 and Day 5). This is really the strict minimum I would recommend. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1220 |
One more thing. I disagre with Meanone saying there is cutting and bulking drugs... Enanthate and Dbol will work fine for getting cut. The diet and cardio takes care of the fat. Sure you hold a little water but if it really bothers you. Watch your carbs, sodium and maybe take a mild diuretic like dandelion. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
Thanks Drexx, I was about to email you. You seemto be one of the few willing to try something that's not the normal mainstream stuff. Actually your posts are what gave me the idea. About the slin, you think I should drop it completely? I figured it would help, as long as I don't eat any fat at all for 4 hours (using humilin-r). I may drop it, I added it because I have it, it's cheap, and seems to be effective. Thanks for the encouragement. Anybody else have an opinion on this? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 70 |
This is similar to the short cycle I am thinking about trying. Mine looks like this: Day 1: Enanthate 750- 1000mg Day 2-14 Prop 150mg eod I also thought about using T3 and clen in my cycle to help burn some fat. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
Drexx, why disagree? Try to deny that some drugs put on more water, diminishing detail. I would love to hear that. It dosen't matter if you drop a few pounds of fat if your skin gets 1/3 of an inch thicker because of water you put on. This may not apply in this case, and as typical, is just a possible scenario, but the piont still stands. Lastly, if you want to put a few of muscle, while it may be true that clen might have some anticatabolic effects, and I do say might, because studies showing clen to be effective in weight gain/strength retention were done of cattle and rats, both of which have more receptors which would accept a compound like clen. Either way, why increase your metabolism if you want to PUT ON A FEW POUNDS, which both clen and T3 will do. If you wanted to take off a few pounds, and keep the LBM you have, it would make more sense, but not gaining weight. I think it would be much easier to split it up into two seperate cycles. You have to build a wall before you can paint it. Either way, good luck. --==MeanOne==-- ------------------ Owner of "The Anabolic Clinic" UPDATED: 01/02/01 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 217 |
Beleive me, I see what you're saying, but I still think there is a possibility that the anti-catabolic effects of clen, and the pretein synthesis increase from the t-3 along with test will produce an anabolic state. Maybe not as much as other things, but that's not what I want. I think the key will be my diet. Hopefully we'll know the answer in about 6 weeks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1220 |
Meanone, I wont deny the water retention will diminish detail while on a cycle. That being said. Who cares? If you are competing drop any drugs that make you retain water 2 weeks out. If you don't compete. Does it matter if you hold a little water? As soon as the cycle is over you will look great. If it bothers you to much you can eat low carbs, low sodium and take a mild diuretic like dandelion. The fact is TEST and DBOL cost a hell of a lot less than winny, primo, eq! Besides TEST is stronger and you will keep much more LBM if you use it. ------------------ |
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posted January 11, 2001 12:32 PM