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 Please critique my nutricionists diet! +xtra questions
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Cool Novice 
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Please critique my nutricionists diet! +xtra questions --- Whatup, I have gotten answers about other things @ the diet discussion board, yet here I would get triple the answer and quality is just as good/better. I eat practically no carbs, except those present in veggies like tomatoes etc, and protein. Just that not really that much fat! Some people say I have to eat on a 1:1 scale (fat/protein) if it is to be a keto diet. For example, this would be a typical day: BREAKFAST 1NaCl 500mg Tablet 10:AM MEAL LUNCH 4:PM MEAL DINNER 1 NaCl tablet @500mg LATE NIGHT --- The NaCl is so you do not get those outrageous water retention losses (salt increases water retention) and the Potassium is so that there is no inbalance of minereals. I guess the Zinc, Cobalt etc. are for the same. Please help me out. Before, I did it for three weeks my bf dropped 32% to 24% (80kg to 74kg about 13.2 pounds. No noticeable loss in muscle, and that was not water retention. Note I measured the body fat with his scale). Please, any knowledgeable person out there please help me with this. Why don't I have the high fat intake"? Isn't this, with low fat intake, just better, because you would force your body to get from your own supplies? Im not *THAT* sure what those supplements do. It's an educated guess. *IF* this is a keto diet, today at school I ate a breaded veal steak. Would the breaded veal steak pull me right out of ketosis? It was as big as a relatively small hand... *THIS PARTS IMPORTANT! HEH...ITS BEEN TROUBLING ME TODAY!** On a side note, does Cannabis, and alcohol induce estrogen production ? I mean if they would many vodka drinkers I know would have massive gyno...I dont know I read it in Truly Huge's mailing list (subscriber submitted tips). Alright thats all. Im expecting replies! oH YEAH , IT HAS ALL the regular symptoms of ketosis, like bad breath and constipation if you dont eat your veggies and drink water.... [This message has been edited by blood_drinker (edited January 10, 2001).]     | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
bump so it dont get lost before its even answered! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 91 |
DUDE, Your Nutritionalist totally BLOWS!!!! There is not a chance in hell that you will stick to this diet!!! I just dont understand the point!!!!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
I have some questions. First of all, how is your training? How many times do you train a week? Do any cardio? HIT type of training? Marathon training? Do you squat, deadlift, press? WHat is your weight and height? Do you have any health concerns...ie. high blood pressure? What is your goal? To lose as much BF or to get bigger WHILE losing BF? Are you "natural?" We realy need to know this type of info before we can answer your questions. The only thing I can say so far is the Olive oil will give you some essential fats, but I would also supplelemt some flax seed oil with meals as well. This will add some more fat. If you are training hard, do you take in any carbs after your workout? With the lower carn content, do you get run down without incorperating more fat in the diet? I'll try and help critique, but I really need to know more info. As for the cannibus, I can't say for sure one way or the other. I have read a couple of peoples opinions on how it will have estrogen increasing factors, but as for knowing for sure I do not. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
If you think about it man 200g of salmon is a lot...but anyway. Ive stuck to that diet 2 weeks I lost all that I stated above, and then xmas break intervened...so Im doing another couple of weeks. blood_drinker is not the one typing this, but his friend. Im 17, 5'4, 170@17%+/- | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
bon jour Le r�gime que vous d�crivez n'est pas Ketogenic. Vous avez trop d'hydrates de carbone. Augmentez vos carbohydates, ou �liminez-les compl�tement. Ajoutez la vari�t� �galement. bon appetit [This message has been edited by Myomorph (edited January 10, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
When your body hits ketosis, it means that your body is burning Free form fatty acids as fuel. That is good. It means your body is becoming efficient at fat loss. I wouldn't reccomend drinking milk either, due to the lactose in it. It will store easily at fat, especially at night time. I would also recommend checking your body temp with an ear thermometer before you get out of bed for a week. Document this. When your temp starts to go down over the weeks that you are undergoing ketosis, it means that your Thyroid gland is slowing your metabolism down. In order to keep your metabolism up, eat a higher amount of carbs for a day. It will kick start your thyroid again. Check out how many grams of protein you are getting in total. If you take in TOO many grams of protein, they will turn themselves into carbs and take you out of ketosis. I think maybe you should try a little weight training besides the cardio. 30min of doing squats will burn off more calories than doing a half hour of cardio. Good luck! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
It's a HUGE question you're asking there, without enough variable covered. You need to tell us what training you're doing exactly, what your goals are etc. But I will say that for you (and your friend doing the typing) it is highly unlikely you actually entered ketosis. It isn't merely a state of low energy. Try telling us what training you do now, and tell us your current diet and what problems you see yourself having with losing the fat. We can go from there. The reason I say this is that no diet works for everyone. Some people will respond well to a high fat/protein diet, whilst others will not. We need to know your track record. IronMike | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1061 |
That's a bullshit diet if ever I've seen one. Your "nutritionist" is an idiot and doesn't understand basic concepts necessary to formulate a diet. Myomorph and others are correct--this is not a keto diet. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 371 |
Whether or not you are entering into ketosis beats the hell out of me. The only way to tell this is by testing your urine with ketostix. If you are able to enter ketosis with this diet, then you really have nothing to worry about. However, all milk and yogurt products that I have ever seen have enough carbs to both prevent and knock you out of ketosis. Therefore, these should probably be eliminated if entering ketosis is a problem. Next, Add more damn fat, and you can lower the protein content considerably. You are asking what kind of keto diet that your nutritionist has directed you to follow, but you don't realize that you are basically answering your own question. With the info you have given, it looks as if you have a HIGH PROTEIN, MODERATE FAT, AND LOW CARB (JUST HIGH ENOUGH TO PREVENT KETOSIS) DIET. That is my answer to your question. The thing you should be more worried about is if whether all the protein you are eating is causing a case of gluconeogenesis (that's not including whether or not the milk/carbs from your other food choices are preventing ketosis in the first place). If you are establishing ketosis, then you ultimately have nothing to worry about, but at least use some ketostix to find out if this is the case. MR. BMJ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Well, I am losing fatn and not muscle (that Ive noticed, so that is very good). And again, I dont measure by the scale, but by a bf%age calculator. What carbs are enough to preven ketosis? And also I have a question;..since I have no carbs, wouldnt that make training recuperation a bitch? Im only on this diet for like a week and a half or something. What fats do you think I could consume? I think this doctor (might) be trying to put the diet this low fat because the french tend to eat a very high fat diet. So ....if you could REFORMULATE my stuff, and some shit to ask my nutritionist what the fucks up, id appreciate it. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
oh yeah, since he never had a chance to explain to me anything about a carbup (because of the xmas break right after 1 week of this diet he just told me to eat a bit of everthing during the break....dont worry about the diet). Now, I have 1 week to go and we are changing diets...so. But if he does NOT give me a carbup, please design me one! Or give me guidelines! I have no clue as to how a carbup works! ONLY carbs? Alright thanks  | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
ahem...bump hate to bump my own threads.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
What you need to do is do some research. Check out the "Ketogenic Diet" by Lyle McDonald or "Bodyopus" by Dan Duchaine. You will find everything you need to know through that. It's too hard formulating a diet for you right now. The best thing to do is educate yourself first. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
So apparently there is no way this diet should be being used by people like me eh... I guess its for inactive people and it is definetely simply a low carb diet. Im trashing him next week. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1855 |
Im a chiropractor and diplomate in nutrition..your nutritionist knows jack shit..nothing in othewr words..elimate the diary #1(I know we will have this milk discussion again)..NaCl 500mg...in all that salmon your eating there is plenty of salt..salmon is excellent for the epa DHA and omega 3s..in my opinion fat is important..this is what keeps fat off your body..yes you read correctly..need your stats as well bro | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
Look man, so can you help me out? I've understood that my nutricionist knows jack. I'll trash him soon enough. You were saying eliminate the milk. Is this simply because lactose stores fat easily? And , if this is so, does that mean eliminate all Protein shakes? Could you animal b, since you're the Authority on Nutrition (at least against my nutricionist) explain in detail everything and WHY is it wrong? The negative effects on this, what is he doing wrong, why is in inpractical, how is he lacking in knowledge? ALl this into one? My stats are up there. Im 5'4 160, last time I checked 20%. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Cool Novice
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posted January 10, 2001 01:40 PM