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 How Has Used Anadrol?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 94 |
My latest cycle was Dbol/test/deca. I'm debating throwing in A50 in place of the Dbol for the next cycle. I'm alittle concerned about the toxicity of A50. Who has used it before? For the whole cycle or just as a kickstart? Opinions. Thanks     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 251 |
bro in my opnion a50 is not worth the trouble. the sides outweigh the gaines. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
I use it all the time. The genetic sides like gyno and hairloss only happen to men who are genetically prone to those sides. Toxicity is combated by common sense and liver protectants. Sides affect everyone differently, ask around, do some research and do whatever you feel is right. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1753 |
I have always used dbol. I like it. A few weeks ago I tried the paperdrol. It was great, the pumps were nice and the strength increase was incredible. Then after about 16 days the pumps were just a little too good and so was the strength. I started adding weight to every bar, ha ha I am Superman. SNAP I pulled a right tri for the first time in my life. I realized that the anadrol was making me feel stronger than I was so to speak. So I stopped it. Moral: If you use it stretch more than you normally would between sets and don't think your Superman. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
i was on test and deca for 5 weeks and now im coming off the test and using 1 anadrol per day for 2 weeks and then kicking in the test . im on my second day and my pumps are unbelievable and i havent even lifted today. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 5 |
I tried to buy it once. Unfortunately, I was scammer and they were placebo pills. I don't think real Anadrol-50 is manufactered in too many places...you're likey to be buying d-bol anyway whether if ya know it or not. Stick with d-bol, it's powerful gear that bloats me like the pillsberry boughboy! | ||
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Novice
Posts: 6 |
Once again...the bf is at the gym, I'm at the 'puter... He uses Anadrol sublinguially because that's supposed to cut down on the liver toxicity. We researched it pretty carefully because he's got Hep C...the consensus seemed to be that it was not significantly more toxic than anything else he'd been using (someone somewhere compared it to 1 vodka martini=1 Anadrol) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 128 |
stick with d-bol bro anadrol is some tox shit its good but not worth it | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 172 |
I used it and the shit and what I used was a fake. Still gave me great workouts made my hair fall somewhat got kinda big off it an when I got off got small as hell. My buddy got gyno from it. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 9 |
If you care about your health dont touch it bro | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1081 |
LOL, people are still scared of anadrol. gotta love ignorance | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 200 |
Like most here I've used both. In all my cycles I've always used either D pinks or bombs to kick off. Currently I'm using Hemos @ 4 a day/week for 5 weeks. I love it. I'm glad I decided to switch to bombs and give the pinks a rest. To each his own though. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
Ulter--we are both in the windy city ;o) How old are ya? Myomorph | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 4264 |
Tizok just b/c you can't get it doesn't make it hard to get, I can have 4 different a-bombs all legit in a bout 2 hours. hehe Mexico is great. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 95 |
I also want to try androl instead of dbol, I think the heath risks are not that bad, I want to do it 6 weeks along with a gram of TE. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 94 |
d1734, Can you expand alittle on your comment? I have done dbol with three other cycles, so I'd like to do something else. I know I can get legit gear. Do you feel the sides are exaggerated? I gotten my liver enzymes checked two months after doing Dbol, and they were only slightly elevated. Do you think the hair loss stuff is exaggerated? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
I did a search for a specific post by macro a little over a year ago, but couldn't find it. It detailed the different levels of toxicity for gear and also compared them to alcohol and anadrol was pretty low on the list, and if I'm not mistaken it was around the "two beers EOD" range. Anyone save this post by any chance? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
On the topic of liver toxicity, i have avoided 17 AAs but I would like to know how liver toxic they REALLY are. It seems there is a lot of scare mongering out there. Maybe a comparison to alcohol would be useful in order to rate them, i.e how many beers 100mg of each substance compares to. btw, I have never used anadrol simply because from my research its gains are very unsustainable. To my way of thinking primobolan would be a more effective steroid simply because 2 months after a cycle, you'd have more muscle left on your bones than you would from a cycle of anadrol. I suppose everyone is different so their gains from anadrol would have different levels of sustainability. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
the reason anadrol is considered so toxic is because it comes in tabs with 10x the MG of dbol tabs. if dbol came in 50mg tabs and anadrol came in 5mg tabs everyone would scream "stay away from that dbol, my uncle's brother's second cousin's friend says it's bad for ya!" most people who comment on anadrol don't know shit about it and just spread the bullshit cuz someone on a message board said so. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 94 |
I know they are both 17aa, but aren't dbol and A50 different compounds. So if I take 10 5mg dbols in a day I am not getting the equivalent of an A50. I've always thought mg for mg A50 is more toxic, but much more effective for mass and strength than Dbol. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1753 |
Lizzy, While I don't want to slight the possiblity of liver damage using 17aa's for an extended period (and I just posted this yesterday). But if you eat a bottle of Tylenol I am sure you are aware YOU WILL DIE. It will shut down your liver and you're toast. If you ate twice that amount of Oxandrolone you would not die. There have to date been NO reported deaths due to an overdose of Oxandrolone. So which drug do you think is more harmful to your liver. I have talked about this before.. I once took d-bol for 14 months straight. I felt like shit when I stopped for about 6 weeks, but when my liver values came back they were within normal range and I am fine. That was over 10 years ago. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2188 |
I don't think its ignorance. . .anadrol can cause havoc. . .it is also a tremendous strength and size builder. . .unfortunately those gains are very difficult to maintain. I would say that negative is equal to the sides which in my and many of my friends that have used A-bombs feel are far greater than Dbol. . .unless there is a specific need in your lifting for A-Bombs and I can't really think of one. . .unless your in the worlds strongest man competition I would avoid it. . .there are many other drugs and combinations of AS that are clearly as effective with lower toxicity and fewer short and possible long term sides. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
I reckon much of the liver stress associated with anabolic steroid use may come from the high intake of protein while people are using them. It is well known that more than 1g of protein per lb is bad for the kidneys and liver, so I wonder whether steroids get all the blame for effects they are not responsible for? When I was a newbie I was so panicked by all the propaganda against steroids that I ran out and bought heaps of silymarin, glutathione, flax oil, stopped drinking alcohol, etc, (you know all the things that are good for your liver) and I have avoided all the 17 AAs. Since the negative effects of steroids may be HIGHLY overrated it makes me wonder whether all these good things I have done mean that my liver is healthier than it would have been had I never used steroids, hehe | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 631 |
I agree whit you ulter,we are kind of same sort !! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
lizzy, there is no evidence even 3g per lb of bodyweight in protein is bad for the liver or kidneys in healthy people. if you have some i'd love to see it. kodiak, well of course, no one can maintain water. water doesn't turn into muscle. if you don't want water retention use a progesterone antagonist. another note is that some people take an entire A-50 at once. if you do that then expect sides to be magnfied by 2-3x. A-50 needs to be spread out just like dbol. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
D1734, I base this on the fact that every nutritionist I have spoken to has told me this plus I have read it in several books and articles. They may be wrong but I think you'd need some pretty powerful evidence (i.e. more than a few dissenting studies) to convince me. You may be totally right. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
p.s. D1734. It is the opinion of public health authorities in a great many countries that the average western diet is too high in protein and the health of the general public would be inproved with less. This is a broadly held opinion among nutritionists at the moment. You may totally disagree with it and that's fine, because nutritionists are not always right, and an opinion being in the majority doesn't necessarily make it right either, but I doubt they'd be saying this if there was "no evidence" as you claim. The truth is that I have dared to question a sacred cow - protein. In a forum such as this there is always a hostile reaction when this icon is questioned. Its a bit like questioning the bible in a room full of christian fundamentalists. I will no doubt be flamed for my blasphemous opinions. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
lizzy sorry to say it but i would have to argue bla, i'm not going to look up a bunch of studies to prove i'm right, but i DARE you to show a shred of evidence it is liver or kidney toxic in healthy people. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 94 |
lizzy, no flame here Bro, the fact is this is a highly debated point. I do agree with d1734 though. I belong to another board where this same topic was debated for days. Apparently the only actual study done was like 20 years ago where the researchers took a mouse with one kidney and gave it like 100x its normal protein intake. Guess what, the mouse died from kidney failure. There were no studies brought up on healthy bbers who took 3grm/ pd lbm. Doctors and the medical community think its useless to take more than the RDA of protein, which is a joke. Any amateur bb will tell you you'll never put any substancial mass on with that low of protein, AS or not. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
I agree with the first part of your post. As for the second part this is a debate I can never hope to win in a forum such as this. If you are looking for evidence one place to begin is the dietary recommendations of the major US government health authorities. Most nutritionists will also back this up. If you are not in the US then your country's health authorities will no doubt have the same recommendations. You will learn among many things that: protein taxes the digestive system, liver and kidneys, causes phosphorous deficiencies, leaches minerals from the body, especially calcium and is the leading cause of osteoporosis in western nations. You will find plenty of research showing that protein irritates the immune system, aggravates allergies and autoimmune diseases such as arthritis....etc, etc... Of course these resarchers may be wrong but I doubt they have "no evidence" for their statements. I suppose if you get your nutritional info from the US beef council you will get a different set of opinions. Considering how high my protein intake is at the moment I certainly hope your account is correct. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 181 |
my last post was in response to D1734 | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 617 |
d1734, you say A-50 needs to be spread out just like dbol?? [This message has been edited by mike001 (edited January 11, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
major US government health authorities I could care less what they think. I will listen to the advice of Duchaine, Lyle McDonald, etc. is the leading cause of osteoporosis in western nations WRONG! lack of resistence exercise is the leading cause of osteoporosis. Hormone defenciences are also much more of a cause than protein intake. Of course these resarchers may be wrong but I doubt they have "no evidence" Then where is this evidence? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
Yes, the half life if A-50 is 7-15 hours so taking it a minimum of 3 times per day would be optimal. No of course it isn't more toxic, it spreads out the stress on the liver and also keeps levels of oxymetholone consisntent in the blood stream, that is always better than having the levels up and down and all over the place. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
D1734, you are incorrect on spliting up A50. Anadrol was designed to work in that dosage, mainly because it's receptor affinity across the board is so low. I have personal use OVER 300mgs of A50/day without complications, or other health related trama. At that level I was getting cranky quite often, and always ready to fight, so be aware, you have to have a personality suited to high doses. I've known of some guys being on about 200mgs/day while drinking without problems. I think the liver issue is way overblown. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 102 |
mike001: No. When you take it all at once, it hits your body quickly all at once, which gives you teh side effects, and is disposed of quickly, thereby robbing you of somie benefits. (I forget the actual half-life). When you spread it out, the theory is you get a steady, smaller, and more efective dosage throughout the day. The only downside to spreading it out is that you will affect your natural test level quicker, as you don't mimic the natural "high in morning, low at night" routine your body has. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 790 |
have been checking around for the half life of drol for a while, and it seems to be about the same as winny (9 hours). | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 122 |
I am considering using A50 in my next cycle, but am a bit leary of prog gyno. I will also be taking with 100mg Fina/EOD and 750mg Sust, and would like to know if I should take 50mg of Winny with it? I am prone to gyno, and have heard Nolva or Armidex won't stop prog gyno. Suggestions? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 908 |
Littlesavage..don't use the fina with anadrol, use winny with the a-50 then when you drop the a-50's add fina, test all the way through of course, email me for a more detailed cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
mean one: i agree that the liver issue is overblown, but it is always best to have consistent levels of steroid in the blood stream. i don't care what dosage it was designed to work at, lower amounts still very much work. there are also non-AR mediated actions and A-50 has metobolites that bind very strongly to the AR anyway. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
I've heard a half life around more of the 6 hour mark. With that being the case, how many of use only use 50-100mgs/day? That's about all we could use if we split up the dosages according to it's half life to avoid the POSSIBLE side effects. It is my theory that the side effects are not caused by the dosage directly, although the theory is somewhat sound. I beleive side effects are caused more as a results more as a results of it's low receptor affinity in most people. This theory would provide the reasoning for it's different effects in various people. Most people get the related side effects because it does not bind to the receptors for it, leading to rapid conversion, leading to your side effects. I believe I personal have a high affinity to the drug (due to my genetic receptor shaping, and population), which is why I do not gain much water from the drug, or gyno, or any of the other terribly bad side effects that you so often hear discussed. Someone with a high affinity to the drug could split up the dosages like you stated (although they really wouldn't have to), but someone who has a low affinity to it would need a 50mgs dose to get some into some avaliable receptors. Just a theory. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
[This message has been edited by Wombat (edited January 11, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Wombat (edited January 12, 2001).] | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2394 |
YOu can speak the truth out the toxic a-50, but because the put the stenght on so fast they are always going to the used by me. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 31 |
Kodiak, and Lizzy. Great to see people with their heads screwed on straight. Right on the money. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 185 |
lizzy if more than 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight caused kidney and liver damage in healthy people,90-95% of the people on this board would be suffering from those kind of problems lizzy it sounds like u have been brainwashed i use to think the same way [This message has been edited by chillin408 (edited January 12, 2001).] |
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posted January 10, 2001 09:18 AM
