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 Front Loading Short Cycle!!!!!
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Guru 
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Well I guess I'm going to try another short cycle And use the correct products this time.LOL Get goes a bit like this. Day 1 1250 of enath./firstday. I will run this for 14 days And stop, for 2 And repeat from their. ------------------
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Are you saying 1250 test on day 1 only, and the d-bol for 2 weeks? ghans | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4444 |
YA YA front loading. ------------------
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 637 |
I see your logic here considering the half- lives of the test ester and the d-bol being 2 weeks and 4 hrs. respectively. Are you using clomid or anything else post-cycle? Seems like this cycle would decrease natural test production to some degree. Interesting. ghans | ||
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Guru
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Thats Idea of short cycle "Not to shut down natural test" I'm just taking a stab at it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 637 |
I'm sure you'll let us know how it goes. I'm interesred in this because I have a spring trip planned and was considering a short cycle beforehand. Gone 2 weeks, then back on for ?? many more. Good luck. ghans | ||
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Guru
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Same reason. Can't go all out until summer just need to pack on a few more pounds. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 179 |
I am also needing same thing before SB. Would sus work in place of ethan? While using dbol also. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 945 |
Seems to me the initial shock would alter test levels rather than, let's say two injections 3 day apart with the same time between "short cycles". ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Keep us updated...
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Novice 
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As soon as your T(test) levels reach above normal, your balls will shut down. But the thing with short cycles is that it doesn't take much to get them started again when comming off... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 301 |
Mean One should chime in. He has a lot of experience with short cycles. | ||
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Guru
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I can't split them up because enath last in your system for 2 weeks. The short cycle would be done by then. HHHMMM Still thinking. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 637 |
Just a thought. Would a faster ester such as prop or suspention be more suitable for short cycles? This would keep test levels up with the d-bol at a more constant level. With front loading with long acting test esters you are really only doing a 2 week taper. Wondering too. ghans | ||
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Guru
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Edited for safety [This message has been edited by BigJay81 (edited January 10, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 637 |
Wow. that's a friggin cheap cycle! I won't ask  Sounds like an economical way to put on a few lbs. Keep us posted.ghans | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
Chimming in-LoL Okay, lets address the first issue. Enanthate: always hear people arguing for days about it's 10 day half life, and they even go all out as to make a complete breakdown of test on that schedule. Well, it's wrong. That was the PRESUMED half length before science could prove it with blood tests. However, now that we have entered a period of time in which extensive and accurate testing can be down, it has been shown that Enanthtae peaks on day 5, and drops way off by day 8. You have the basic idea of a short cycle right. You WILL supress the body's HTPL slightly, but the ptiuitary should still be fine, leading for very quick recovery periods. Actually for the first week your pituitary gland will be more sensatized to LH hormones and others, which is definately a plus. Suspension and propinate have their places in short cycles. What would be great is if you doubled up and used both the enanthate and the suspension. I do this to keep blood levels somewhat steady, with a precisely timed peak (injecting immediately following workout with suspension). Also, through in an anabolic to complete the stimulation of all avaliable growth mechanisms. There has been wild wars raging about Eq, so I won't approach that topic here, but I have used it with much success. Your choice. Maybe you just want to front load Primobolan? Deca is obviously out of the question. To help prevent massive supression of the HTPL axis, use clomid (50mgs ed - I personally am never really off the stuff), DHEA, VELVET BEAN (IMPORTANT!), 5HTP at night, as well as Melatonin. If you have more specific short cycles questions, I'll be floating around. --==MeanOne==-- ------------------ Owner of "The Anabolic Clinic" UPDATED: 01/02/01 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 167 |
Hey meanone, what's the half life of eq, and on what days would you inject it in the 13 day cycles you suggest. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
Sorry, I won't post what I have read in studies. Last time, it ALMOST started a flame war. LoL, trying to build up some dust on that good ole' flame thrower. -MO | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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LMAO @ GAAV, I remember the EQ thing. Ok, now in your opinion BigJay to answer your question. You probably know I am not an advocate of short cycles and here is the reason why. People tend to go on short cycles to prevent natural shut down of test. Well studies have shown that at little over 200mgs/wk of test natural levels fall considerably after day 14. Now I know you are only doing a short cycle but you are talking about a lot more than 200mgs of test. Secondly, there are a lot of medicines out there that can prevent natural shut down of test when on a cycle or up regulate natural production when coming off a cycle. For sure if you follow in my logic it would be much better to run a cycle for 6-8 wks (8-10 being better) rather than 14 days, especially if you can prevent that natural test shutdown or bring it back up as you are ending your cycle. Say you have 6 wks to put on some size, what would be better, doing a 2 wk on 2 wk off 2 wk on thus only being on for 4 wks or to run it at the whole 6 wks. With all the medicine out there it is by far possible to have the best of both worlds. To sum up, in my opinion, short cycles are a good theory but simply do not provide the force needed to produce substantial gains. Im still workin on my next cycle and was thinking about running it for 6-7 weeks. This is the time people tend to notice gains stop coming. It would be 10 wks in total taking into account the clen and clomid following the cycle. However if you are going to do the short cycle, perhaps Cypionate (rather than enanthate) front loaded say 1500mgs then day 6 drink/inject some suspension 100mgs/day for 4 days. Or use some Propionate instead. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 665 |
Jay, I had the same idea myself. I was planning to take 2g of testoviron (enanthate) on day 1 followed by 2 weeks of dbol and propionate at 50 mg EOD. I've had problems getting the propionate though so I may try it without. Apparently there's not a lot of prop on the market until Autumn (competition season). This is not a request for prop so please don't mail me. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
IRONGAME, did you just say, drink some suspension??? LoL, maybe you meant winstrol. Anyway, being that a short cycle wouldn't go past 14 day (13 most likely) no fear of the rapid shutdown brother. That's the piont of a short cycle. besides, with long cycles, it's inevitable that you will loose some gains, and can only do 3 to 4 a year max. With short cycles, you can do many more a year, and if you pick up 5-7lbs, if not more, per cycle, well then...in my humble opinion, the results will not be as immediately gratifying, but greaer over time. ------------------ Owner of "The Anabolic Clinic" UPDATED: 01/02/01 | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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IRON, what drugs can be used to prevent gonadotrophin suppression and hypothalamic/pituitary desensitization while on a long cycle? Please don't say Clomid and HCG. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Jay, Your plan looks almost exactly like my last one. Day 1 1500mg Enanthate My next one (in 2 weeks) will be Day 1 750mg Enanthate This next cycle will be a little different it will be a cutting cycle. I will be using ECA stack 6 times a day (12.5mg & 100mg), Keto Diet and only 3000 cals and a little extra T3 (50mcg on some days). I should lose atleast 2% bodyfat on this one. I am too fat now. About 13.5%. Notice I am now taking clomid during the cycle since I feel the HPT axis still gets a little disrupted. On day 15 I take 300mg of Clomid and then 13 other days at 50mg. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited January 09, 2001).] | ||
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Guru
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Awesome. Great info here. Drexx, What did you see off this. And what was your goal as well. I'll e-mail you later. Thanks alot fellas. JAy ------------------
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
I would up that first dosage to 1500mgs, and the second (day 5 dosage) at 400-500mgs. Just M.H.O. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1081 |
Looks good. I did 800 mg Enanthate on Day 1, and then 100 mg Prop EOD until Day 15. 3 weeks postcycle I retained close to 8 pounds. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Meanone: I thought it over and it makes more sense for me to take Day 1 1000mg So as to let the test leave a little more before day 14. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 175 |
Meanone, you mentioned using primo to front load, how much do you think should be used for this? I thought primo was longer acting and probably wouldn't work for the short cycle theory. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
Primobolan is somewhat longer acting. This is why it's front loaded. There are very few drugs that will stay active in the system beyond 2 weeks, very few. Either case, I front load with about 800mgs day 1 and use another 400mgs on day 4. This is if I'm not using one of those "Other" anabolic drugs, such as Eq (please no debating) or Winstrol. Everyone is going to differ on how they use drugs. YOur may have a few high receptor population and affinity for anabolic drugs, leaving less floating around in the system, resulting is a reduced period of life. On the other hand, you may not react well to certain drugs, increasing it's half life. Also, enzymatic differences help determain drug half lives amongst people. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 179 |
As of now I think I'm gonna try a 2 week cycle right before Spring Break. The cycle will look like this: EQ @ 400mg for days-1,3,5 and @ 200mg day-7. dbol @ 35mg days 1-13. I'm 22y/o 6ft 175...this will be my 2nd cycle...first 'short cycle' MeanOne, ------------------ |
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posted January 09, 2001 12:37 AM
