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Damian Borleone

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posted January 08, 2001 01:17 AM

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http://homepages.together.net/~twilbur/ester.htm

This is an interesting article that basically says all esterified steroids ie test cypionate, enanthate, propionate, phenylpropionate, etc work in the same manner. Ultimately it doesn't matter what ester you choose since the end result as far as our body is concerned is free testosterone. The only difference between the esters being the amount of time it takes for them to get from point A (injection) to point B (free testosterone used by muscle).

It's an interesting article and if you believe the writer than questions like "which is better sustanon or aratest, or cypionate or enanthate" are irrelevant because they're all the same as far as our body is concerned.

What do you think?


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KODIAK99

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posted January 08, 2001 01:23 AM

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He makes a reasonable argument, but I throw one wrench in the works which is every single AS user has a different reaction to every AS. . .some are not noticable some are quite pronounced. . .I agree with the concept but disagree in that if you took 10 bros and put them on the same doses of Sus, Cyp, Enath,. . .with the same training and same diet you'd get 10 differentl results.

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Hardcore4Evr

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posted January 08, 2001 01:24 AM

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I believe Kodiak hit it right on the money.

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lawnsaver

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posted January 08, 2001 01:25 AM

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Thats right to a degree, but if I were to use prop or enanthate, I would appear harder on the prop, because of the lowered water retention. I also have to say the ester effects the amount of test you recieve. If I take 200mg of those 2 types, I would get more free test out of the prop.


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Damian Borleone

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posted January 08, 2001 01:43 AM

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Ok Kodiak, but what if the same guy does 3 different cycles of cypionate, enanthate and sustanon. Each cycle consisting of exactly the same dosage of test, same training regimen and same diet...Will his results be the same after each cycle? I agree that steroids work differently in different people, but do they (testosterone) work the same on an individual basis in the same person?

[This message has been edited by Damian Borleone (edited January 08, 2001).]


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scottyy

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posted January 08, 2001 01:53 AM

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Ok I checked it out


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Linares868

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posted January 08, 2001 03:28 AM

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I agree with Kodiak.


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panerai

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posted January 08, 2001 03:50 AM

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Test is just a Test,that's true,but we need to know esthers,how they work and time they release Testosterone in order to use those drugs in the most productive way.Different esther,different aproche!


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conan69

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posted January 08, 2001 04:41 AM

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Kodiak nailed it on the head again
i CAN tell the difference between tests
some people can, i dont react to deca at all
most do!

every AS user is different

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lizzy

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posted January 08, 2001 09:51 AM

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the durabolin I am buying has no ester. What does this mean in practice?


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Hankrr

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posted January 08, 2001 02:14 PM

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I think the artical is correct. However differences ARE going to occur simply because of the VAST differences in the release rates of the test provided by the different esters. TEST is TEST but we know a fast acting ester is going to be different than using a long acting one or Sus. with both.


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The Shadow

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posted January 08, 2001 02:29 PM

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The only relevant topic when comparing various test esters is the compounds half-life.


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