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Stew Meat

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posted January 07, 2001 11:22 PM

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I originally posted this in another thread. Some guy in his own words said every bro on this board is an idiot that thinks you need more than 45g of protein per day. Here is my reply. I've never heard it spelled out this way but through my years as a biology major, this is the way I see it:

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Hey whacker,
What do you think that muscle is made of?
Mostly protein you say?

Lets look at your 45g/ day idea...

How much do you weigh?
What percent of that is BF?

Lets say that you weigh 150 (I say 150 because you probably don't weigh much as you're only getting 45g of protein a day) unless you are fat.
And you are working out and trying to put on some muscle.

You want to weigh 180lbs. Thirty lbs of muscle is equalivant to 12,750g. Let's say that 75% (probably a lot more!) of that muscle's weight is protien. That would make the muscle that you want to gain contain 9,560g of amino acids (protien)(9560g is 75% of 30lbs). You will need to consume at least 9560g of protein for that muscle. If you are going to put on 30lbs in 5 months, that would mean you consuming 63.75g of extra protein per day to gain that EXTRA muscle.

That is considering that all protein that you eat will be digested. The average digestability of protein is about 80%. That means we loose 20% making us need at least 76.5g of extra protein for that muscle.
Some of that protein is expended, unwound, and denatured therefore it's amino acids are unusable to the body. Some of the protein will not be broken down enough in time for it to be absorbed by the small intestine before it is passed on to the colon (where absorbtion of macronutrients stops). That's probably going to be at least 30%.
Now that leaves us needing 100g of EXTRA protein to support the additional muscle that you are seeking. Well some of that protein will also be burned as energy. Depending on the level of aerobic activity your body may burn up to 25% of those grams of protein as energy. Leaving us needing 125g.

Of that 125g of extra protein, not all of it will be allocated into muscle. Some will be needed to compose enzymes, some for immune function, some for reconstruction of skin, and various cellular repairs. At 140lbs, and low bodyfat, you are probably going to have to allocate 50% of your protein into intracellular maintenence and cellular repair due to natuarl aging of the tissues. Half of that protein intake will be taxed by tissue other than muscle.

So that means that we are going to have to consume at least twice as much to account for that leaving a defiency of 250g of protein.


Since you weigh 140lbs, 250/140=1.79g of protein per lb of body weight. I'd say that if you go below 2g per lb, you are shorting yourself. These figures will vary with individual metabolisms. Also, anabolics that increase nitrogen retention and encourage tissue growth will enable the individual to benefit from additional protein (2-4g/lb). If I were on a heavy cycle, I'd shoot for 3g/lb.

Now, Whacker (Newbie), don't come in here raising hell like you are the supreme supplemental steroid guru to the stars... You don't know your ass from your elbow if you think 45g (.2g/lb) per day of protein is going to get you anywhere in this world.


And I'm not saying this just because I sell WPI...

-Stew


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BigJay81

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posted January 07, 2001 11:25 PM

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You make sense to me.

But then again this place doesn't tolerate people who give real information.

It seems to get deleted by the "Glitch"

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slappydog

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posted January 07, 2001 11:29 PM

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Sound about right to me but how much of SUST-MANS human flesh protein would we need?


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Spunky

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posted January 08, 2001 12:05 AM

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I agree.. 45g of protein a day is crazy. 45g of protein should be 1 shake.. You could eat 45g of protein per day and not even try......if u eat 1 steak and drink a glass of milk in the same day you've easily got 45g of protein.. u think u can build muscle like that??


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bgriff

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posted January 08, 2001 12:08 AM

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Big bump for stew!!!

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Stew Meat

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posted January 08, 2001 12:12 AM

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Actually protein is protein. It doesn't matter if it comes from a human, a cock roach, or a soy bean. The only thing that makes some protein sources perfereable to otheres is the amino acid profile. Some sources may contain higher concnetrations of specific amino acids than others.
I don't know what the amino acid profile for cooked human flesh would be but I'm sure that it wouldn't vary much from beef protein which is thought to be inferior to other protein sources. Whey is favored as having the best amino acid profile.

As for me, I've been known to eat people every now and then too, Sus-Man...
There you have it, my secret, I eat people!
lol But now, only my wife.

-Stew

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Iron Ghost

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posted January 08, 2001 12:19 AM

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Agreed bro.We all probably fart 45gms protein ed anyway,hehehe.

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2Thick

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posted January 08, 2001 12:21 AM

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Good info.


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KODIAK99

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posted January 08, 2001 01:48 AM

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Makes a lot of sense and a very good post.

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panerai

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posted January 08, 2001 02:06 AM

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Amino acid profile and how human body digest it,bioavailability,right?


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scottyy

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posted January 08, 2001 02:21 AM

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bump


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Valdez

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posted January 08, 2001 02:31 AM

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We just went over macro-nutrients in nutrition 110. Carbs are the ONLY macronutrient that does NOT facilitate cell growth, muscle growth etc. It is used as a energy source only. so YES you need a hell of a lot more than 45g of protein a day.

the body recycles it's own amino acids daily yet if you want to grow, protein at 1g per lb is absolutely neccesary for optimum growth,

If you are on anabolics that figure is DEFINETLY higher, perhaps 1.5-3g per lb of bodyweight per person.


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Andy13

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posted January 08, 2001 10:52 AM

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While I agree that you need more than 45g of protein a day, muscle is actually 75% WATER. A small part of muscle is the actual protein.

Andy


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strengthmonster

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posted January 08, 2001 10:58 AM

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I'm not a biologist or anything but I know you are right. If I were to consume 45g of protein a day I would definately loose size. I keep mine at 300+.


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Stew Meat

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posted January 08, 2001 01:16 PM

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Your body is 75% water. The muscle itself is mostly an assembleage of amino acids.

-Stew


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d1734

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posted January 08, 2001 01:20 PM

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Stew, you made many valid points but Andy is correct. the vast majority of muscle is water.


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