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delts

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posted January 07, 2001 10:30 PM

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A guy I know at the gym told me that he's done dbol while cutting and claims that he's gotten good results with it. Claiming that he's been able to at least keep his current lean body mass while stripping away the fat with cardio and a high protein, low carb diet. I'm told him I thought he was full of shit, and that Dbol was primarily a bulking drug. Besides......... taking ECA along with that I would think would be unhealthy. Am I right? Or is he? Thanks brothers.

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Green

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posted January 07, 2001 10:34 PM

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This isn't the first time I've heard of it. I think it's usally stacked with winny to help keep the bloat off. I think you're going to be surprised on what you hear about this. LAter, Green

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ArnoldWannaBe

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posted January 07, 2001 10:35 PM

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I would agree with you. But I don't know shit.


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panerai

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posted January 07, 2001 10:35 PM

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It's going to take whole lot of cardio,but it's possible.ECA unhealthy? And what is healthy,are you in touch with reality?


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Natural Wonder

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posted January 07, 2001 10:38 PM

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I had a friend who took 800mg of cypionate alone with trying to cut down. He got his abs out but had of lot of extra water on him. He said it's because he's a endomorph. I don't bother arguing with ignorants!


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wHeLiXw

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posted January 07, 2001 10:41 PM

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Years ago i only had access to dbol. I too got very lean using 4 pills and eca combination. I did a lot of cardio as well, with a as close to fat free diet as possible. I works if you eat very clean and take eca as a anticatabolic agent.

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mr.huge

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posted January 07, 2001 10:43 PM

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its very possible to cut with dbol.. keep your calories down protein up carbs down .. basically your dieting while your gaining or atleast maintaining your lbm . I too have dont this at one time when i had nothing else to use and had some tabs lying around..your weight wont change much because of water retention. but once you come off you will lose the water weight and your body compositon will have gone through a big change.. you'll be lighter than when you started your cycle and much leaner..you must keep you protein up though.. yes it may defeat the purpose of the drug but what if this is the purpose you wanted it for..im speaking from expirience and those are the results.

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Bchemist

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posted January 07, 2001 10:54 PM

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D-bol is a fantastic cutting drug. Granted you will not look rock-hard while on, but you will be able to reduce bodyfat while preserving muscle. It is my personal favorite to use as a cutting utility.

In another case, my buddy swears by suspension when he is restricting calories....


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BigJay81

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posted January 07, 2001 11:40 PM

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I think its good.
My theory is:
When You get ready for a shoot You drink as much water as you can. This makes your body crave high amount of water and when you stop taking the water your body uses up every drop that it has to keep the craving away.
D-bol increases water flow to muscles So when you take the d-bol away water also leaves very soon and your body is looking every drop it can get.
Still working onit but its a few thoughts I have wrong or not, Its a thought

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E2

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posted January 07, 2001 11:46 PM

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The whole point of a 'cutting drug' is to help retain your muscle mass while you're doing tons of cardio, almost any steroid is an excellent cutting drug your diet and ancilliary drugs determine whether or not you become a fat boy or a lean machine.

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BigJay81

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posted January 07, 2001 11:54 PM

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SO my idea has some truth to it?

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delts

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posted January 08, 2001 06:11 AM

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So apparently, his assumptions have some merit. I stand corrected, thank you brothers.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 08, 2001 06:25 AM

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I agree with BChemist an E2. Dbol makes great cutting drug and many pro's use it as well as anadrol in their cutting cycles. It is not about the drug but about the diet. Steroids are used to maintain muscle and harden up when on a diet, not to lose bodyfat.

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fsuwarrior

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posted January 08, 2001 09:49 AM

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I am about to start my cutting cycle and was wondering what to take. What ancilliary drugs would be beneficial while using d-bol?

peace
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fsuwarrior

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posted January 08, 2001 09:58 AM

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bump! I like to see some more input here.
thanks in advance

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Amp

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posted January 08, 2001 10:07 AM

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A couple of my friends that compete use Dbol the first half of their cutting cycle. It is a great drug for retaining mass and very cost effective. They then switch to drugs like winstrol towards the end so the water retention can flush out. Unless you are doing a show or you have a weak liver there is no reason to cut the dbol out. Once you come off the water will drain within 7-10 days and you will then look a lot more ripped.


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hayesjones

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posted January 08, 2001 10:14 AM

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E2... Well said.

Take dball, do cardio,hit the iron hard, eat clean...look great!

Take dball, no cardio, hit the iron hard, eat whatever.. look like a big bloated monkey


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Rugby

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posted January 08, 2001 10:26 AM

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Dbol is one of my favorite ways to get LBM... My goal in my third cycle was to stay at 6% bf, and gain 15 quality lbs... This is what my cycle looked like... Dbol at 50mg/day for 5 weeks... Testosterone enanthate at 1g per week first 8 weeks... Primo weeks 1-10 at 600mg/wk... Deca at 400mg wk/ weeks 2-10... Arimidex all the way through.

Here were my results:weight 210lbs-220lbs...I noticed little water bloat... And i kept my cals at around 2000-2500... I loved this cycle...

I have found that dbol works very well on a low cal diet
bf went from 6.2-7.1%... I


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Andy13

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posted January 08, 2001 10:38 AM

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You cannot confuse bloat from water retention with fat. People retain water while on dbol.

Perhaps some feel dbol is inappropriate for cutting b/c of the excess conversion to estrogen. However, I feel this little bit of estrogen is not significant to hinder fat loss.

Solution? Take an antiE if you feel aromatization is a problem.

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Spunky

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posted January 08, 2001 10:46 AM

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I had a friend who used dbol while cutting.. worked good for him.


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PerfectRep

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posted January 08, 2001 12:17 PM

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You can "cut" with almost anything, it all lies in the diet. You would get alot a water retention with the dbod though.


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delts

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posted January 08, 2001 07:06 PM

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Super information brothers! Excellent reading, and a good topic covered quite well I might add. This board has a wealth of knowledge, thanks.

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