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WanTtoBeDeisel

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posted January 07, 2001 06:03 PM

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i was just wondering how the fuck you guys consume 300 grams of protien a day. i jsut cant do it. i can barely do 180 grams, it seems impossible to me can anyway share their secrets? thanks


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THE BOUNCER

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posted January 07, 2001 06:06 PM

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bro if it is hard for you to get 180 grams of protein you should not be on the juice. i get about 365 grams every day


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ultragainz

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posted January 07, 2001 06:06 PM

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well bro its not that hard i drink 3 pro drinks a day and eat a meal or take down something every 2 hours or so.
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!!


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BigPharmBoy

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posted January 07, 2001 06:12 PM

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TUNA, TUNA, PRO SHAKES, CHICKEN,EGG WHITES/WHOLES, MILK, OH YEAH AND TUNA....

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dave1975

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posted January 07, 2001 06:15 PM

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It is not always fun and tasty but the boys are right...if you can't force down more than 180gr a day you probably should'nt be in the club.


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PerfectRep

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posted January 07, 2001 06:18 PM

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Huh?


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The_Iron_Game

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After training consume between 50-100 grams of protein depending on your lean mass. Make sure that it is absorbed quickly so use a protein shake or something. 5 more meals bro simply add in 35-40 grams at each meal and bingo. 300 grams.

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Spunky

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like they said.. it may not be tasty meals all the time, and u may get really full.. but u can do it. I try to consume 50-60g per protein shake and I usually have 4 shakes/day, plus my regular meals.......


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Gettinhard

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I usually consume 160 grams by lunch time! easy to consume 300gr i think 300-400 is resonable. You need to evalute your diet and figure what your eating and how your eating...if you consume 6 meals and get a min. of 40 grams of protien per meal that is 240 right there and 40 grams is easy..

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Anabolicum Mister

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posted January 07, 2001 06:47 PM

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eat...eat...eat.


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If you can barely eat 180 grams a day then you are partaking in the wrong sport my friend. There is nothing comlicated about getting 300g of protein a day. Learn about diet and you will figure out how to get your protein.

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BIG HURT

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Eat every 2 hours,make half of those meals a protein shake,preferably at least 50 or more grams per shake.That's a minimum of at least 200 or more grams,with just the shakes alone

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Wfabrizio

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At first it will be difficult for you to eat 5-6 times per day. Once your body gets used to it your metabolism will speed up and it'll be a piece of cake. Then whenever you don't eat a meal, your stomach will growl and you'll be hungry.

Lot's of reg. tuna and solid white albacore, whole eggs, fish(salmon,etc.), lean hamburger meat, lean steak and lots and lots of protein shakes.

I spend about $200/week in groceries and about $120/month in protein shakes. It can get very expensive.

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BigJay81

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posted January 07, 2001 07:04 PM

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its hard you when you first start out but after a few months you can't get enough.

The deal at burger king helps to

99cent Chicken Sandwichs HHHHHHMMMMMM

Hard four today but my daily maintence is 2


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Wfabrizio

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Yeah.....that sounds pretty damn good right about now......

You see? It's that easy, I'm going to eat a chicken sandwich. Chicken breast (lots of protein) and bread (some carbs) and maybe even a lemonade or something like that for more simple carbs....

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BigJay81

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Burger King IS my place Those chicken fingers are good to


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Wfabrizio

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posted January 07, 2001 07:16 PM

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Damn Bigjay....you're making me drool over here thinking about those chicken strips too...

You know what else is good...double whoppers...yumm....or Carls Jr. the double western bacon burger.....damn....

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Wfabrizio

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posted January 07, 2001 07:18 PM

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Alright..I'm outta here..off to BK....see ya tomorrow when I get to work...

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Stew Meat

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Hey bro. I've got a solution for you. Especially if you're paying more for your protein drinks than you are for your grocery bill!
This is my standardised letter that I'm sending to bros when they email me asking for more info. If you'll notice, the free shipment is over but I'm still sending out free samples.
Whey protein isolate for $6 per lb! This is totally legit and I have refrences to prove it upon request. I'm doing this to help out some iron bros save a lot of cash and get access to the highest quality protein. It's easy to be fooled by supplement companies about the quality of their products. Just for the sake example, Optimum Nutrition sells a whey protein product that they claim is 100% whey protein or so it says on the label. That is meant to mislead people who don't know much about protein. What they mean by "100%" is that all the protein that is in there originates from whey, not eggs, beef, milk, etc; their 100% whey protein is far from one hundred percent.
They take a high quality protein such as the one I'm "selling" and mix in cheap fillers that degrade the quality and pull one over on unsuspecting customers. Look at their figures:
One scoop of 29.4g, which contains 22 grams of protein. If you do the math, you'll find that equals <75% protein! The other 1/4 of this is garbage that is put in there to take up room, screw you out of your money, and hinder your gains. But hey, look how cheap it is! At >75% protein, you are left with about 3.5 pounds of denatured, undigestable protein in that 5lb container that will cause "bloating, gas," and abdominal cramps (source: http://www.proteinfactory.com/wheyconrate.htm).
My protein is pure, unadulterated, raw, whey protein isolate derived from cross flow microfiltration of white cheese whey and dried cold to avoid denaturation and is 98% digestable (I have Certificate of Analysis to prove it). Do you want to pay over $7 a pound for the inactive protein thats in O.N.'s 100% protein, throw away your money and your potential muscular gains and ingest the rest of that garbage that makes up the rest of the 5lbs? Or do you want to invest in a quality product like Created Perfection's protein and get way more than you are paying for. Afterall, Optimum Nutrition is "cheaper," right??
All powder is unflavored. That's part of what makes this a great deal. It's very hard to find something pure and unflavored, unless you're ready to pay nearly $20 bucks per lb. This is because unflavored whey is made from white cheese which is expensive due to the small supply of this sweet smelling powder. Most whey is made from cheedar by-products which has a pungent, soured odor and tastes horrible unless it's sweetened. They can't produce an unflavored product from cheedar because its horrible taste would discourage any additional sales.
Created Perfection's protein is made from white cheese whey. It is very expensive as there aren't many labs that produce it. In fact the only one that I know of is the one where I get my shipments, and it's in France. Part of the reason that I'm shipping out free samples is becasue I want people to see for themselves the difference white cheese can make. Even though it's unflavored, it has a sweet, buttery aroma. Only because it's from white cheese, it will assume the taste of anything added to flavor it such as fruit or chocolate. It's not premixed that way because you want to pay for protein, not sweetners. If you want an awsome treat, try mixing it with pina colada mix and ice cream! It sure beats plain 'ol vanila. With a product that is already flavored, making up new tasty shakes is nearly impossible.

TOTAL CALORIES: 112 CALORIES FROM PROTIEN: 104 =93%!
Total Fat: 0g
Total Carb: 0g
Sugars: 0g
Sodium: 47g
Protein: 26g

I'm not selling anything right now, but I am offering free samples. I'm not scheduled to begin sales till later. All that I ask in return is that you help me promote my product if you like it (and I know you will!).

To request a free sample, it is important that you contact me via email and ask if I have enough protein in stock to send your free sample. I currently only have 50lbs on hand. If I ok it, send enough money to cover shipping and handleing ($6); Canadaian residents add $2, all others email me. The sample size will amount to about a pound of powder. My next shipment is due to arrive latter this month. If I have samples in stock, send funds to:

Created Perfections
851 Rowland Rd. #5
Monroe, LA 71203

Cash or money orders only. I will in the future be able to accept checks and credit cards. I would like to wait until I receive the funds and then ship out the sample from the return address unless there is another address specified within the envelope. Please make sure that cash is enclosed in something (foil, another envelope, a card, etc.) so that it isn't visible through the envelope.

To receive a memo in the mail whenever $6/lb WPI sales begin, send me an email including your mailing address. [[email protected]]. Thanks for your help bro.

Your new source for protein,

Jason Steward
Created Perfections


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JuiceBoy

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posted January 07, 2001 08:28 PM

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lowfat milk man. I just drink a glass or two with each of my 3 meals(plus 3 pro drinks) and that milk adds up to like 50-60 grams of protein over the day!


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plifter

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I only eat about 120 grams a day and I'm strong as hell. I don't believe there is any point in eating 75-100 grams at one time. Your body can only absorb 30-35 grams at a time, so consuming large amounts of protein is the same as consuming large amounts of carbohydrates or fat, it just goes to waste


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whacker1

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The whole 1 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight, is basically religious dogma by now. Unfortunately, this dogma was largely created by muscle mags and supplement companies. The daily protein requirements for John Q. Normal 5'8" 180lb 18%BF, is only about 45grams of protein a day.

No one, save Dorian Yates, needs 300g of protein a day. It only takes 80g of protein to construct one lb of lean muscle tissue. There's just no fucking way your body is going to use even more than half of that , each day to build muscle, even if you're using like 2grams of test per week/ 3 A50 a day.

PERIOD!


Personally I only eat 120 or so a day, and gain just peachy keen fine. 300grams a day is just bullshit, a waste of time and money, and based on no evidence.


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waterboy

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i have 2 eat every 2 hours or my belly is hurting i even wake up in the night 2 eat about 3 times a night 2 stay full or i cant sleep water boy......


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The shakes do it for me. It is a easy way to make sure you are getting good calories and protein. Not empty calories. Plus eat like a horse!!
I have gained 15 lbs. in 3 weeks. My bench has went up 75lbs. I think this working. My workout partner is all natrual and he doesn't know that I am on the juice. He can't figure it out. He is trying to add a nickle a week to his bench and I am going like a weed. I tell him it's all in the diet!!!

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I went and got two more.

It was ggggggggggoooooooooooooodddddddddd
total 6 so far.
tomm is another day. HEHE

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MeanOne

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Can someone here provide a reference for the guy who is selling the $6/lb protien?
Here's a couple good ways to get protien. Eat a whole chicken a day, 2-3lbs of red meat, protien shakes (which I through peanut butter in for various reasons), beans/rice, and a few more protien shakes. Right now with my metabolism going nuts, I'm up to around 5700-6100 calories a day and 400 grams of protien a day, except when I go on dates...don't need to be choking my girlfriend with protien farts. Has anyone figured out how much protien can be found in a whole chicken yet? LoL (as I'm half way through this one)
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superdave

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posted January 07, 2001 09:31 PM

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Whacker1, what are your stats?

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wanainpress

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posted January 07, 2001 09:34 PM

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chicken, tuna, and lots of protien shakes!!!
isopure, and meth-oxy pro isn't bad


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Stew Meat

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posted January 07, 2001 09:55 PM

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Hey whacker,
What do you think that muscle is made of?

Protein you say?

Lets look at your 45g/ day idea...
How much do you weigh?
What percent of that is BF?

Lets say that you weigh 150 (I say 150 because you probably don't weigh much as you're only getting 45g of protein a day) unless you are fat.
And you are working out and trying to put on some muscle.

You want to weigh 180lbs. Thirty lbs of muscle is equalivant to 12,750g. Let's say that 75% of that muscle's weight is protien. That would make the muscle that you want to gain contain 9,560g of amino acids (protien). You will need to consume at least 9560g of protein for that muscle. If you are going to put on 30lbs in 5 months, that would mean you consuming 63.75g of extra protein per day to gain that EXTRA muscle.

That is considering that all protein that you eat will be digested. The average digestability of protein is about 80%. That means we loose 20% making us need at least 76.5g of extra protein for that muscle.
Some of that protein is expended, unwound, and denatured therefore it's amino acids are unusable to the body. Some of the protein will not be broken down enough in time for it to be absorbed by the small intestine before it is passed on to the colon (where absorbtion of macronutrients stops). That's probably going to be at least 30%.
Now that leaves us needing 100g of EXTRA protein to support the additional muscle that you are seeking. Well some of that protein will also be burned as energy. Depending on the level of aerobic activity your body may burn up to 25% of those grams of protein as energy. Leaving us needing 120g.

Of that 125g of extra protein, not all of it will be allocated into muscle. Some will be needed to compose enzymes, some for immune function, some for reconstruction of skin, and various cellular repairs. At 140lbs, and low bodyfat, you are probably going to have to allocate 50% of your protein into intracellular maintenence and cellular repair due to natuarl aging of the tissues. Half of that protein intake will be taxed by tissue other than muscle.

So that means that we are going to have to consume at least twice as much to account for that leaving a defiency of 250g of protein.


Since you weigh 140lbs, 250/140=1.79g of protein per lb of body weight. I'd say that if you go below 2g per lb, you are shorting yourself. These figures will vary with individual metabolisms. Also, anabolics that increase nitrogen retention and encourage tissue growth will enable the individual to benefit from additional protein (2-4g/lb). If I were on a heavy cycle, I'd shoot for 3g/lb.

Now, Whacker (Newbie), don't come in here raising hell like you are the supreme supplemental steroid guru to the stars... You don't know your ass from your elbow if you think 45g (.2g/lb) per day of protein is going to get you anywhere in this world.


And I'm not saying this just because I sell WPI...

-Stew



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BigJay81

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You tellem Stew.


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No kidding Stew!
Whacker, man, think before you speak stupid crap like that. Really, what are your stats? We all want to see how big and muscular you are on 140 grams of protein a day.

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Protien lets see:

Wake up to a 12 egg omlette
40 gram protien shake.
Can of tuna at 10am
Lunch usually 2 chicken breasts and fruit
A protien shake around 2
GYM
Diner,
lets go with a steak, protien shake.
Can of tuna, shake or turkey breat before bed.

If you eat enough you'll grow if you don't you should throw your gear in the trash. . .

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bigscarymonster

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Did you guys know that a 6" roasted chicken breast from subway has 25g of protein in it? I don't think that includes the cheese. So if you get a 12" double meat with cheese and bacon, that's over 100g of protein.

I ate there twice today. I am glad they give out stamps or I would be more poor than I already am...


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scottyy

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posted January 08, 2001 02:45 AM

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bump


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WanTtoBeDeisel

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right on guys good stuff lots of good info, you guys are right maybe im jsut gettin lazy, i eat tons of tuna though...but how much of that shit can y ou take heehee


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The_Iron_Game

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quote:
Originally posted by plifter:
I only eat about 120 grams a day and I'm strong as hell. I don't believe there is any point in eating 75-100 grams at one time. Your body can only absorb 30-35 grams at a time, so consuming large amounts of protein is the same as consuming large amounts of carbohydrates or fat, it just goes to waste


Plifter you make a good point about people consuming far too much protein every day, some do, but on your point of the body not being able to utilise 70-100 grams of protein in one sitting. In most cases this is true but after a workout I can guarantee you that your body can.

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MeanOne

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Where did you get that information on the chicken breast sub? The only info I've seen in the stores was concerning calories and fat. Later guys, running to subway...


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whacker1

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quote:
Originally posted by Stew Meat:
Hey whacker,
What do you think that muscle is made of?

Uh, gee...I dunno...you tell me Mr. Protein Salesman.

>Protein you say?

Oh yeah.

>You want to weigh 180lbs. Thirty lbs of
>muscle is equalivant to 12,750g. Let's say

Total, NET WEIGHT.


>that 75% of that muscle's weight is
> protien. That would make the muscle that

Mammalian muscle tissue doesn't contain anywhere close to 75% protein. A lb of human muscle tissue contains ~ 80g of protein, or ~16% protein. Hardly 75%, which kinda sends your entire hypothesis into the crapper.

>That is considering that all protein that
> you eat will be digested. The average >digestability of protein is about 80%.

Yeah, right. Maybe dirt crap soy protein, but WPI is digestable, and has a bioavailability at the tune of 97%.

>that you are seeking. Well some of that
> protein will also be burned as energy.

ALL of it will be burned as energy, silly.


>Half of that protein intake will be taxed >by tissue other than muscle.


Says who? You? Doctor?

>So that means that we are going to have to >consume at least twice as much to account >for that leaving a defiency of 250g of >protein.

Spoken like a true salesman. Ooh!! Ooh!! Where do I order?

>Now, Whacker (Newbie), don't come in >hereraising hell like you are the supreme >supplemental steroid guru to the stars...

Ok, Mr I HAVE A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN FALSELY PROMOTING RIDICULOUS PROTEIN REQUIRMENTS.

>You don't know your ass from your elbow if >you think 45g (.2g/lb) per day of protein >is going to get you anywhere in this >world.

I *NEVER* said that. Only that the basic daily requirements of the *AVERAGE* adult male, are 45g a day. Athletes, particularly, steroid users, obviously need more. But not *THAT* much more. Not 300grams a day more.


>And I'm not saying this just because I sell
> WPI...


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-Stew



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whacker: there are other reasons to consume alot of protien. protein is the least efficient macronutrient at being converted to fat, it's not even close. if you are significantly over maintence calories and eat alot of fat, you will get fat. carbs are the same way after a period of time. the first few days of overfeeding they are less efficient than fat at being stored but that quickly ends when they are chronicly overeaten. whey protein also boosts the immune system.


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