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Charles Ray

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posted January 07, 2001 02:27 AM

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To make your receptors as clean as they were before you popped your cherry how long do you think one should wait before they are totally clean? Is it different if you're a...

1) Newbie who's done 2-4 cycles

or

2) an experienced juicer who's done like 10-15 cycles.

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BigJay81

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posted January 07, 2001 02:28 AM

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THEY ARE NEVER THE SAME AS BEFORE YOU STARTED


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tyguy

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posted January 07, 2001 02:37 AM

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Not positive, but I believe I read somewhere on here that DNP cleans up receptors. Please ask a mod to make sure. Hope all goes well.


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Charles Ray

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posted January 07, 2001 02:44 AM

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They must clear up a little... I mean not totally the same from before you started but they have to clear up. I read something about cocaine and how they have a vaccine for it(I don't think it's out yet though) and it works by binding to the receptors in the brain. BUUUUUT you have to take the shots every so often because the vaccine runs out and your receptors become free. So it only seems logical that anabolics do the same. Just wondering to what extent they do.
thanx for the responses

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scott825

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posted January 07, 2001 02:51 AM

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Would like to hear more about what you bros think about DNP..

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bigrand

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posted January 07, 2001 05:20 AM

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The concensus is that DNP cleaning receptors is bullshit. Bigjay, do you keep the same receptors your whole life? What about apoptosis (sp) or the cells just getting old and dying? New cells are always replacing old ones.


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Joseph_stalin

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posted January 07, 2001 06:17 AM

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i'm pretty sure dnp does that because it increases metabolism. so any metabolism increasing drug can do that.
anyway, if you gain 25 on your first cycle, you may be 210 of muscle. considering that you are probably biologically unable to become more than say 300 lbs of pure muscle, the drugs will work less the closer you get to your potential.

i wouldn't recommend it, but insulin, HGH & cytomel work if you reach a plateau. so do borreson cycles.


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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 07, 2001 08:09 AM

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First off as BigJay mentioned after your first proper cycle finishes you will never quite get the same results as prior to that cycle. Remember after a cycle you need a time off to allow your body to return to homeostasis. In order to prevent any excess muscle loss this time off should be kept to as short as possible with 3 weeks being minimum in my opinion more like four or 5. Many people like to take longer off or recommend on cycle = off cycle thus a 10 wk cycle should be followed by a 10 week break. By doing this you are ensuring a system that allows for continuous growth.

As everyone knows, your first proper cycle is usually the most productive. After the first cycle is finished your next cycle cycle should work with the principle of diminishing returns. As your body will find it more difficult to further add gains to your already bigger than natural limit and as you become bigger, steroids will become increasingly less effective and a higher amount would be needed. Remember that you should not be using steroids until you reach your natural limit.

When the body is exposed to large amounts of synthetic steroids for long periods of time, several things happen. Natural test will shutdown (about 200mgs of synthetic test/wk should shut this down after 2-3 weeks, a reason why short cycles arent always practical). With continued use, androgen receptors will down regulate as the body attempts to maintain homeostasis. This down regulation of steroid receptors is one of the primary reasons why the first cycle of steroids is usually the most effective.

In short, once you have reached your natural limit and cannot in anyway grow anymore without anabolic androgenic steroids then it may be time to consider using them. However once you do use them to break through this plateau your body will never be able to achieve the same results as you achieved on your first cycle. That is unless you actually lose enough muscle to take you back to your weight range before you started your first cycle.

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