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Hardcore4Evr

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posted January 06, 2001 02:39 PM

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I have done a search, asked numerous people, and have basically not found out too much information on dosages for this drug. I start my pre-contest cycle tomorrow. It will be exactly 11 weeks until the contest date, March 24th.
I know to do a 2 week on 2 week off with clen. Substitute ECA for the 2 weeks off. I have the Oxyflux 20mcg tabs in blister packs. Should i keep a steady dose, say at 60mcg per day in the beginning, and slowly increase to 80, 100, etc in the coming weeks? Any useful information you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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The_Iron_Game

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posted January 06, 2001 02:56 PM

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The point in tapering up when on clen is to slowly ease your body into the side effects is may bring. If you are not too bothered about the sides which include, shakiness, muscle twitches, headaches, lack of sleep etc then try and start off as high as you can at first. 5 tabs / day for 1 or 2 days and if you dont react badly to that then go up to 7. I personally dont go above 140mcgs/day but I know some people who do.

Go on it for 14 days followed by 14 of ECA and so on.

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Hardcore4Evr

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In that case, Iron, i may just slowly build up my dosage instead of starting at 5 per day. Maybe i could start at 40mcg a day for the first week, and see how it works, then maybe up the dosage to 60 or 80. I have a feeling clen will have a major impact on my body, as far as "good" effects, because i have such a high metabolism, and its very easy for me to shed the fat.
Also, i did hear that over 140mcg of clen is basically an overkill, and its just waisting it. So good thing you didnt go over! Anymore help would be great.....thanks man.

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mr.huge

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posted January 06, 2001 03:12 PM

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stay within 80-140mcg you can do the two weeks on two weeks off split up your dosages throughout the day and use the eca stack on your off period to prevent you from crashing harder...or you can use one week on on week off method ..personally i prefer the 2 weeks so that i burn, burn, burn light crash then burn....baby burn..

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BigJay81

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Clenbuterol

Description

Clenbuterol, medically used throughout many parts of the world as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma, is a recent and popular addition to the realm of athletics. Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist, with properties somewhat similar to adrenaline. It acts as a CNS stimulant and users quite commonly report side effects such as shaky hands, insomnia, sweating, increased blood pressure and nausea. These side effects generally subside quickly once the user becomes accustomed to the drug. Athletes find clenbuterol attractive for it's pronounced thermogenic effects as well as mild anabolic properties. Dosage regimes will vary depending on the desired effect. Clenbuterol generally come is 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup and injectable form. Users will usually tailor there dosage individually, depending on results and side effects, but somewhere in the range of 2-8 tablets per day is most common. For fat loss, clenbuterol seems to stay effective for 3-6 weeks, then it's thermogenic properties seem to subside. This is noticed when the body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic properties subside much quicker, somewhere around 18 days. Currently, counterfeits of clenbuterol do exist, but they are scarce and most are bottles with loose tablets. Clenbuterol should only be trusted when purchased in foil and plastic strips, preferably with accompanying box and paperwork. Also see Clenbuterol.com


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Hardcore4Evr

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posted January 06, 2001 03:42 PM

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Mr. Huge, you think i should start at 80mcg per day, and then upp my dosage? I just want to do everything right, and have minimal sides from this.

Thanks for that info, Bigjay. How would you recommend taking clen?

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mr.huge

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posted January 06, 2001 03:47 PM

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most definately heres a description off my site you can read to get more familiar with it..if you still have question feel free to email me..hope this helps

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Clenbuterol
Brand Names

Broncodil ,Broncoterol ,Cesbron ,Clenasma ,Clenbuter.Pharmachim ,Contrasmina ,Contraspasmina Monores ,Novegam ,Oxyflux ,Prontovent ,Spiropent ,Ventolase ,Ventapulmin ,

Description

Is available in 10 - 20 mcg tablets or in the .016 mg/gram Ventapulmin Vet variety. Clenbuterol is known as a sympathomimetic. These hormones are taken to mimic adrenaline and noradrenaline in the human body. Clenbuterol is a selective beta-2 agonist that is used to stimulate the beta receptors in fat and muscle tissue in the body. Clenbuterol exhibits most of it's effects on the stimulation of both type 2 and 3 beta receptors. Clenbuterol is really one of bodybuilding's most misunderstood performance enhancement drugs. It is true that it is effective in helping to burn bodyfat but it is often been stated that clenbuterol is effective in causing anabolic gains and has in times even been compared to some of the weaker anabolic steroids. Books such as the World Anabolic Review, 1996, by P. Grunding and M. Bachmann state incorrectly that, "its effects, however, can by all means be compared to those of steroids. Similar to a combination of Winstrol Depot and Oxandrolone...." These statements are inaccurate and misleading to say the least. A lot of these claims as to the anabolic effects of clenbuterol are derived from studying the effects of clenbuterol on livestock. Clenbuterol is effective in increasing muscle mass and decreasing fat loss in animals.

The problem with the variation in anabolic effects between humans and livestock is that livestock have an abundance of the type 3 beta receptors whereas humans have little if any of the type 3 beta receptors. These beta-3 receptors increases insulin secretion and sensitivity, causing more glucose and amino acids to be transported into skeletal muscle thus causing the anabolic effects that we, humans, just aren't seeing. As Dan Duchaine stated in his Muscle Media article on clenbuterol, "In those animal research studies showing an anabolic effect from clenbuterol, it's my guess the anabolism happens specifically when the beta2 receptor stops working. At that point, the beta3 increases and causes the anabolic effect through insulin mechanisms." Since humans, again, have either very little or no beta-3 receptors, there is no chance of this anabolic effect. Just another of the studies where everyone assumed that what works in animals must work in humans. This is just simply not the case with clenbuterol.

Clenbuterol does work effectively as a fat burner though. It does this by slight increases in the body temperature. With each degree that the temperature in your body is raised from the use of clenbuterol, you will burn up approximately an extra 5% of maintenance calories. This makes it effective as a fat burner. Your body will fight this by cutting down on the amount of active thyroid in the body as well as through beta receptor down regulation which explains why you only have a limited effective period to take clenbuterol. While I am on the subject of beta receptor down regulation, I would like to dispose of another myth. This involves the two on/two off cycling theory that I believe was originated by Bill Phillips in the Anabolic Reference Guide and has somehow made it's was into every other steroid book since then including the WAR and Physical Enhancement with an Edge. The two on-two off theory simply will not work because of one main reason: the half life of clenbuterol. This 2-on/2-off idea was a THEORY ONLY, not by a doctor or scientist, and not based on specific knowledge of clenbuterol, but derived by imitation from other drug's with shorter half lives. Clenbuterol has been reported as having a half life of about 2 days, but that is not actually correct, since it has biphasic elimination, with the half-life of the rapid phase being about 10 hours, and the slower phase being several days. Supposedly, this is one of the reasons the FDA never approved clenbuterol as an anti-asthmatic drug...the FDA frowns on drugs with long half-lives if drugs with more normal half-lives are available. So with a 2-on/2-off cycle you never have time to get enough of the clenbuterol out of your system for this theory to be reasonable. In actuality, it probably hasn't even dropped to 50% of your peak concentration before you are taking the drug again. With this all taken into account, there is no reason to think that this cycling would significantly reduce the problem of receptor desensitization. A more reasonable approach would be either one week on, one week off, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off. The two week cycle has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. This crash period can be helped with the use of ephedrine to lessen the lethargy that you will experience.

If you are interested in taking clenbuterol for anything other than fat loss then you might as well stay away from this compound. There is a lot of talk as to how clenbuterol compares to ephedrine as well. Most "experts" feel that clen gives a better bang for the buck than the ECA stack. It should be noted that clenbuterols results and effects are much shorter lived. They work through very similar mechanisms. Both products stimulate the beta-receptors but clenbuterol seems to be a more refined version, called a second generation beta-agonist drug, than ephedrine. Clenbuterol targets the proper receptors, being the beta-2 and 3 receptors than ephedrine more specifically which should in theory make clenbuterol more effective of a fat burner.

Again, most of the so called "experts" say that clenbuterol is more effective than ephedrine. I, personally, get worse results with clen vs. the good old ECA stack. Clenbuterol also didn't blunt my hunger either and I ate more while taking it as well. I also seem to get much better effects out of cytomel as a fat burner as well. Even better than the ECA stack or clenbuterol. But, again, that is my personal opinion.

Effective Dose

80-140 mcgs. / day in split doses throughout the day. Anything over 140 mcg a day is overkill since the beta receptors can only take so much of a product and then more is just wasteful.

Street Price

$.50 - 1.00 / tab. Fairly inexpensive in Mexico though. Spiropent is currently going for about $7.50/box, Novegam for $5.25/box, and Oxyflux for about $3.30/box.

Stacking Info

One week on, one week off might make sense, or alternately, two weeks on two weeks off makes sense but has the disadvantage of a "crash" period afterwards. You can take ephedrine after the clen to help reduce this "crash" period or at least make it more bearable for you. The two on/two off theory is absolute bullshit and can't work; read above.


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Hardcore4Evr

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posted January 06, 2001 03:55 PM

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One more thing, Mr. Huge, and i dont know if i have mentioned it or not, but its very easy for me to lose weight. I have a very high metabolism, so that is mainly why i was asking too, about the higher dosage. I will be taking 1000mg of Aratest, 600mg Deca, & 50mg/day of IP's winny for the first 6 weeks, then lower my dosage slightly for the remainder of my cycle. Also, im going to be taking Cynomel, and that is definitly going to help burn the fat off. I just dont wanna kill myself i guess! Thanks for that info too!

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mr.huge

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i know women that have takes up to 100mcg a day and had no problems... i would suggest you still start with atleast 80mcg even keep it at that if you feel its too much drop your dosage if you feel after the first 3-4 days your handling it well increase it to 100mcg... this is your cutting cycle correct? well the ara-test is definately going to make you hold some water last time i used it i used it and some winny alone and i put on 15lbs in about 3 weeks time.. i would probably go with something like primo/winny/anavar/clen /t3/eca for my cutting cycle..id leave the ara out just my opinion..my dosaes were higher than yours but im sure were 2 different people as well do what works best for you..

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Hardcore4Evr

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Yeah, see i would like to try and gain a little lean body mass while im dieting too. Im totally cutting out all test 2 weeks out from the show, so by that time, the water retention will be long gone. Like i said, my metabolism is unbelievable, so i shouldnt have a problem. At least, i hope i dont! You live and learn, so i think im gonna see what happens with the test. Thanks man for your reply. I will start with the 80mcg of clen and see how that works out.

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Here we go, time for MeanOne to go against the grain again. When I cycle Clen. I use 200mcs/day for 3 days, 5-6 days off, 3 days 5-6 off.....I will also use an ECA stack in those 5-6 off. So it usually works out something like this. Clen 3 days, Day off, ECA stack 3 days, two days off, repeat. This has given me the best results over time. Has anyone else tried such short cycles of Clen?
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posted January 07, 2001 03:22 AM

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posted January 07, 2001 08:12 PM

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What are your stats regarding weight and bf%?


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