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got big?

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posted January 03, 2001 10:01 PM

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I'm going to start a cycle of Aratest and Eq soon, I plan on doing Aratest for 8 weeks at 750mg and Eq at 10 weeks at 400mg. I want to use nolvadex throughout to keep water down, and so there's no chance of gyno. I'm wondering tho, is there any negative effects to taking nolvadex, because I understand it blocks the estrogen receptors, and I know the body needs some amount of estrogen?


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Stew Meat

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posted January 03, 2001 10:09 PM

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Nolvedex will hinder your gains. If you were going to use an anti estrogen throughout, I would use clomid. I would keep the Nolv. handy incase my tits got sore or uncomfortable. Proviron is a step below Nolv. so it can be used more while hindering gains less. If you are that concerned stack some proviron along with it (especially if you can't get clomid). But don't use Nolvedex throughout.
My .02....


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posted January 03, 2001 10:35 PM

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If you consider less water weight hindering gains, then I don't mind. I don't see any benifit from holding all that water, sure your strength goes up a little, but I don't see how that's going to benifit muscle gains since once the water's gone that strength is lost, on top of the fact you can injure yourself thinkign you can move more weight than your now dehyradted joints can handle.


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harmonic

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posted January 03, 2001 10:37 PM

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I think nolv affects mass gains, but I don't think that it hinders strength gains/lbm gains...


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lawnsaver

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posted January 03, 2001 10:50 PM

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Nolva will keep water off which I think will make you look smoother. I like to look hard and vascular. I like to use proviron instead of nolvadex. I think it make you harder, and there is no chance of a rebound since proviron works like arimidex and stops the conversion of estrogen instead of blocking its effects.


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MeanOne

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posted January 03, 2001 11:32 PM

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Despite the arrogant post of a fellow under another thread, yes Nolavdex will hinder gains. Not just weight gains, LBM gains.

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KODIAK99

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posted January 03, 2001 11:51 PM

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I agree with meanone,it will affect your lean body mass and gains during a cycle as it will compete with sites that the target AS are seeking. . .however, this is more of a pro and con situation and if your worried about gyno and you don't have the cash or access to arimidex. . .take the nalvo, its not like you'll have drastically reduced gains and unless your competing for the olympia, you should be more worried about gyno than the extra 5 pounds on your next 1gram a week test cycle. my 2 cents.

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TwinGATs

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posted January 04, 2001 12:04 AM

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bro use the Nolva....you might not gain as much, but you don't want to have any tittys...training and good eating habits will make up for the gains lost from nolva


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panerai

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posted January 04, 2001 01:00 AM

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AnabolicExtreme, May 2000, Issue#10
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Oral clomiphene citrate (Clomid) is an ovulation stimulant used to treat ovulatory failure in women. Oral tamoxifen citrate (Nolvadex) belongs to a class of antineoplastics called antiestrogens. It is used to treat breast cancer. Body builders use both of these drugs. Why on earth would they do that? The answer is that both of these drugs are anti-estrogens. The term anti-estrogen is a little inaccurate. This class of pharmaceutical does not engage in some sort of matter/anti-matter reaction, annihilating estrogen in a blinding burst of anabolic goodness. Rather, let us think of the classical anti-estrogen drugs (such as nolvadex and clomid) as estrogen receptor antagonists (ERA). These ERAs are chemicals that are close enough in structure to estrogen to fit into the estrogen receptor site; however these chemicals do not have the same chemical effect as estrogen. The result is that any estrogen produced by the body or exogenous estrogen cannot find an open receptor site to attach to. The free-floating estrogen then presents far less problems to homeostasis.

There is a lot of conflict over using nolvadex, clomid and other ERAs. The regulation of estrogen-induced cellular effects is a multi-step molecular process. The diversity of estrogen and anti-estrogen effects on cellular functions is also modulated by tissue and gene specificity. This diversity of reaction may be explained by different levels of molecular regulation, including the presence of two distinct estrogen receptor isoforms (ER alpha and ER beta), their binding to activator or co-repressor transcriptional proteins, and their affinity to different DNA binding domains of target genes (estrogen responsive element or API). These mechanisms may account for the specific responses to estrogens or anti-estrogens according to tissue, cell or gene level. Therefore, in English, a drug like nolvadex, which targets breast tissues, is going to do a better job of preventing gynocomastia than is clomid. However clomid has the benefit of boosting the levels of follicle stimulating hormone, which helps restore the bodies natural testosterone levels and protects against testicular atrophy. It also increases ejaculatory capacity; by the way, so it's best to be considerate to those you care about (or those you employ, I suppose). That was my public service message for the month, by the way. I imagine that this is has something to do with LSH and FSH production in the body triggering the production of more semen, but I am not sure. Ask Bill Roberts over at the mighty TOSSED-OFF-TERONE.NET, or better yet, contact Greg Zulak c/o MuscleMag.

Many people stop using their ERA drugs when they end the cycle. That is a terrible idea. Clomid, as we have already discussed, helps immensely with your recovery processes. But remember, there is almost always an estrogen backlash to having been using testosterone drugs for so long. Therefore, many symptoms of high estrogen levels appear after the cycle. I would continue to use both Clomid and Nolvadex for up to 3 weeks after the last of the drugs have left your body. Remember, if on Friday you take 500 mg of a longer acting drug like Sustanon, then don't consider the following few weeks are truly off time. That is why it is important to know how long the drugs are effective in your body and yet another reason to switch to faster acting drugs in the last few weeks of a cycle.

Effective dosages of these two drugs are debated. I would recommend that the two drugs be used together, Nolvadex at 20 mg per day, and clomid at 50 mg per day. If Nolvadex is used by itself, 20-40 mg are sufficient. 50-100 mg of clomid can be used if clomid is the only ERA drug. Clomid should be used for two weeks after the last steroid injection to help return your body to its natural hormonal state. Nolvadex and Clomid are mildly expensive, but very available because they are not scheduled drugs and can be legally imported
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I don't see how Nolvadex can get on a way of gaining muscle mass,unless you meant indirect way,through water retention/strength gain, but that's really unsignificant.


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posted January 04, 2001 01:16 AM

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From my experience, if you use clomid throughout, you can have a rebound effect, and get gyno even 4-8 weeks post cycle (everything). I like using nolva @ 10 mgs/day or sometimes eod, just to know that that breast receptor is clogged and I won't grow a titty. Fuck a titty... Wait till after your cycle to use clomid. Clomid ED and Sust looks like a bad idea to me.


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posted January 04, 2001 01:18 AM

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oh yeah, I never got any of those sides that nolvadex claims to have in it's description. Especially at 10 mgs/ Day, don't sweat that, if that is something that you are wondering.

Good luck


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PowerLifter45

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posted January 04, 2001 10:11 AM

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If you're really worried about bitch tits maybe you should surgically remove the entire gland like Ronnie Coleman did.


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