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Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 48 |
For my next cycle, I am going to use deca,primo, and sust. However, Since I am only taking the sust for the first 4 or 5 weeks, I was thinking about incorporating it in a reduce~the~days style. I would take my first shot on day 1, 8 days later = second shot, 7 days later = 3rd shot, 6 days later = 4th shot, etc. If anyone has ever done this, can you please explain whether you felt that it was more or less effective than a set amount each week. Also, what drug did you use? And would you recommend the reduce~the~days cycle, or just a certain dosage once per week? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 156 |
I would recommend 1cc of sust/day for 21 days. This is the best way (I think) to do sust. ...bd ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 48 |
1cc per day? That is 1750g (7 X 250g) per week!! I am definately not ready for that yet! This is only going to be my second cycle, I have about 5 years of solid training. I am about 5'6, only 175lbs. BF is around 15%. I was thinking something more along the lines of staying between 250g and 500g per week on the sust. I will peak at 400 on the deca and primo. Can someone please drop me some info on the reduce~the~days cycle, or perhaps know of a webpage that has info about it? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 29 |
Got this from a very smart guy elsewhere.... The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week. To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story). The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 48 |
Wow! Very Good info, Elvis, thanks a lot! I guess I will inject every day for 21 days (maybe every other day for 26 days) then switch to a deca/primo stack for 6 or 7 weeks. Actually, the sust that I have now is omni. It is very hard, if not impossible, to find amps of the old omni anymore. Thanks again for the info. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Cool Novice ![]() ![]() Posts: 29 |
I'm doing a Deca/Sus/Dbol stack in a month and I am doing the Sus everyday for a week, then going to every other day for the rest of the time I'm on the sus (which will be a total of six weeks). You could also choose to do it ed for two weeks then go to every other. I just don't like sticking myself every day and with the dbol tabs during the first of the cycle I'm only doing the first week as ed. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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