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Novice ![]() Posts: 6 |
what kind of results and how fast does omnadren work?? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 136 |
Need to know a little more about youand your stats to answer. Will take at least 2 weeks to kick in unless you do 1 amp/day for 2-3 weeks as a cycle--in that case, you'll see the results from the prop almost immediately. ...bd ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 91 |
No flame here but Browndog, don't tell the dude that.He might just go and do an amp a day! You won't notice any significant results for a couple of weeks. That is why a lot of bros start their cycles with 25-30 mgs of D-bol per day for the 1st 5 or 6 weeks. The d-bol will kick in right away. I just finished a D-bol/ Omna cycle so I know what I'm talking about. (At least on this). Do post your stats and what you'd like to achieve and the vets will be glad to give you pointers. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Novice ![]() Posts: 6 |
who ever wrote this how did you sign on as my user name and how did you get into my email ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 136 |
Actually landry, that is a viable way to approach time-released tests like omna and sust. If you do one amp a day for 21 days, your levels of each of the 4 tests are individually more constant. The prop will actually work because you will be doing 50mg of it every day, and the enanthate will stay constant as it begins to work and so on. If you do 500mg/week of sust, you never really get anything out of the prop in it, because it's gone before it can build up and stay at a sustained level. That's why i always say, unless it's absolutely ridiculously cheap, just do enanthate (T200) and taper down towared the end of the cycle accordingly. ...bd ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 91 |
So Browndog, you are saying that injecting 5250 mgs of testerone in 3 weeks is a good idea? Think about who you are telling this to. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 136 |
The proper use of Sustanon in a cycle by Squatdemon One of the most misunderstood ideals when it comes to Sustanon is how to properly use it in a cycle. There is no wrong way, but there is a best way to administer proper dosages so you can fully benefit from the esters in Sustanon. Sustanon was developed for the primary reason of hormone replacement, and because of the mix of esters most patients only needed one shot a month to keep their hormone levels balanced. Because of this design, the bodybuilder will not receive proper doseages at once or twice a week injections. Your blood levels will fluctuate up and down continuously, which is not what you want while on a cycle. You want stable levels to give your body the best chance it can have to build plenty of muscle. All test is the same, but only once the ester is removed. People that say test is test are wrong unless you are assuming that the ester has already been removed. I have had plenty of different results from the different tests I have used, as well as I am sure you have too. The secret to making sus work correctly, is timing the esters so the blood levels do not fluctuate. I will assume that everyone knows how an ester works and why one is added to the parent testosterone. With sustanon, you have 4 esters: 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benefits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now let's say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week. 60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day. Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, *******'s powder). If injected twice a week, then let's even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week. To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system. If you ask me that was a waste of two amps. That is barely enough to supress the axis, and that is about all you will have happen if you inject 180mg of test per week. Now let's look at the longer acting esters in sus. 60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time. 100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Deca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks. Call me crazy, but that is not at all what I want in a cycle. Every test cycle should be started high to hit those receptors hard, and I don't even taper at the end (but that is a different story). The numbers that BIGDAWG and I worked on basically show that your test levels will never at one time be stable for more that a couple of weeks. Why do you think that people say they have less bloat on sus and less sides. There is so little of the short acting test in your system at one time that it is impossible to get any bloat or side effects at all. So you ask, well what is the best way to take sus then? First, I would answer don't buy it. If you really want to use a 4 blend test then buy some of the old omna (not the new ones), they have more shorter acting tests in them and the blood levels will stay more equal. If you don't believe me, ask anyone that has used the old omna and they will tell you they got quite a bit of bloat from it. Reason being is the shorter acting esters in the omna build up your blood levels quicker, hence you have the bloat factor. If someone doesn't like my first answer, then I will give them a second, "inject the sus everyday or at the least every other day." I usually get the "wholly @#%$, that's crazy!!!" answer. I usually tell them back, no it's not crazy, it's science. The actual science of sus combined with a bodybuilder's needs equal injecting every day. People seem to forget about the esters and think they are injecting all of 1750mg each week and getting every mg of it. Trust me folks, I am not talking about injecting 7 amps a week for 10 weeks, I am suggesting injecting an amp a day for 3 weeks, and letting the esters do thier work after that. When you crunch the numbers, for the first two weeks you are really only getting the prop, phenylprop, and a little of the isocaproate. Maybe about 700-750 mg for the first two weeks, and for weeks after that when all of the isocaproate and deconate kick in you will stay aroung 600-800mg for weeks following the first couple. You have a perfect taper, if you are into that, and stable test levels. If you go to eod, it will vary a bit, but not enough to really make too much of a difference. Start off the cycle with 5 weeks of dbol while using the sus, and when you are done with the sustanon, then immediately start injecting two anabolics like eq and deca, or deca and primo/winny. This is a cycle that a lot of the pros are using called front end loading with an anabolic taper.
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Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 136 |
bump for landry. ...bd ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 176 |
I dont see the science here I only see you injecting large amounts of test. I believe if you don't catch a serious case of gyno or other bad side affects it should work. But so will everything else. Go ahead and inject 100mgs of deca or test cyp every day for three weeks. You'll grow like a weed too. I think there needs to be a balance between efective dosages and sides. Also With taking anabolics I have yet to see a scale that takes a persons acutal weight and bf% and perscribes a solid dosage that will work with the least sides. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4134 |
Thats the real way to use sust. I learned from squatdemon. The Rocks Will Live forever!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 91 |
That all may be well and good for a vet because after 3 weeks, having done 21 amps of sust, the bro who asked, having registered yesterday or today would have in the neighborhood of 1000 mgs of test flowing through his veins on what may be his 1st cycle. I don't care what you say, (Or BigJay cuz your'e a good bro) is a good idea. And by the way, I just finished a cycle of 250 omna/sust every 3rd day with the d-bol at the beginning like I recommended and I gained 30 lbs. So there! LOL. [This message has been edited by landry (edited January 02, 2001).] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 4134 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder ![]() ![]() Posts: 136 |
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