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 Must read info on liver protection and estrogen inhibition
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Several months back my liver enzymes hit 351. I have seen people post their bad liver enzyme tests here asking for advice, and the next closest I have seen was 341. (If anyone can beat my liver enzymes and document it with bloodwork, the moderators said you will win free steroids - okay, just kidding). So 351 is way way way up there. My MD (who has done numerous cycles) told me it would take months to get back to normal. I had been taking milk thistle three times a day, and while it might have helped keep me from going into liver failure I still hit really high levels (hepatitis levels). But after some research I added calcium d glucarate and L-glutathione and within less then 3 weeks my liver enzymes were NORMAL. I have read over and over again how milk thistle should be used to protect the liver (and this is true), but I now consider it a lightweight compared to calcium d glucarate and L-glutathione. Nobody esle on here seems to know about it, so I have compiled a small list of articles written by MD's on the web regarding calcium d gulcarate. If you do any potentially liver toxic activities (steroids, drinking, taking tylenol, consuming pesticides, living) then do yourself a favor and read these. They were not the original research articles that I uncovered some months back, but are shorter and to the point: http://www.glucarate.com This is short and sweet and covers the basics. Mostly discusses CDG (calcium d glucarate) in regards to cancer treatment. http://www.doctormurray.com/Qarchive/Dglucarate.htm He discusses CDG ability to break down estrogen and how initial research at Sloan Kettering Cancer Institute and the National Cancer Institute suggest that CDG may become a better treatment for follow up breast cancer care then Tamoxiphene. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/001011/bw0362.html This a news release from the AMC cancer research center which has has done non-profit cancer research since the 1950's. The AMC cancer research center says it "unprecedently supports" the use of calcium D glucarate for cancer treatment. http://www.nutritionnow.com/calciumdg.htm This article discusses how CDG breaks down and helps the body metabolize estrogen http://www.md-phc.com/nutrition/calcium_d.htm This is one medical doctors take on how CDG helps the body detoxify and also break down estrogen http://www.medlean.com/ML_estrogenmetabolizers.html This discusses how unnopposed estrogen is problematic for aging men near the top. The specific information on calcium D glucarate is at the bottom of the page.
Okay, now you all owe me big time. [This message has been edited by FakingIt (edited December 31, 2000).]    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 61 |
a must print. thanks ------------------  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 872 |
very interesting... ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 3222 |
Nice Bro...... Ranger | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2081 |
Good Infor thank you. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 163 |
Can you give us a website where we can buy CDG and L-Glutathione? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 91 |
bump, this might help others out | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 50 |
Check out: www.iHerb.com if your interested in purchasing. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
I use Pure Encapsulations 1-800-753-2277. A bodybuilder friend of mine tells them he is a health food distributer and he getrs it wholesale. Seriously, glad it might be of help to anyone who needs it. I realize alot of people can hit their livers pretty hard with no problems. And then others, like me, have our livers swell up half the size of Texas just reading about D-bol or watching a beer commercial on TV. I just count myself lucky that I can take large doses of testo without any signs of gyno or hair loss | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 107 |
Very good bro .I wonder if it will help this fatty liver doc says I might have. Futher tests will tell next week.I'm praying and believing I'm ok. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1009 |
i'm heavy on the 17aa right now but have been on accutane for a year with no problems at approx. 300mg/week. does age have anything to do with the glucuronidation process? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 114 |
Always good to take the extra precaution to keep the liver healthy...good post. What dosage did you take of the CDG? Think I'll add it to the list Stay Healthy! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1009 |
what about alpha lipoic acid? i've read good things about it as far as liver protection goes. | ||
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Novice 
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Thanks lots. This looks like some very good info. I'm also of the belief that Milk Thistle don't do shit..........It don't for me anyway | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 61 |
NIce Brother! Thanks for the info. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
The CDG from pure encapsulations simply says 500 mg per capsule. It does not clarify how much is the glucarate molecule and how much is calcium. The article by Dr. Murray says to take 400-700 mg day, I think. I have read alot of his material over the years and respect his opinion. But when my liver enzyme values skied out I was taking it 3 times a day, with L-glutathione. I especially made sure I took it at bedtime when I believe my body rests and does most detoxing. Being a nitwit I did not quit abusing my liver right away, but the enzymes still came down. I also drank some homemade carrot juice each day, and increased the fresh fruits and vegetables. At this point I would not take an oral 17AA. I would guess age has something to do with it. I am 39 and I bet I could have abused my liver more when I was 25 before knocking holes in it. But everyone has a biochemical individuality that makes them unique. [This message has been edited by FakingIt (edited December 31, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 130 |
really great info! thanks! | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 31 |
preciate it bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
Bump for any bros that might want this information but missed it over the holidays (since so many of you only read the board when you are supposed to be working) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 83 |
Bump for any bros who might have missed this information due to the holidays and who would want it | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 235 |
How about Liverite? anybody ever taken that? you think it helps also?  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 848 |
There's also a new injectible liver protectant called Transmethyl available in Mexico, but I have yet to find it...so CDG will be my next purchase. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 285 |
I take Liverite religiously. I have no scientific proof for Liverite, but I know that it came highly recommended by guys on the board last year. I would like to hear pos/neg for this product also. the list of ingredients is incomplete and not specific as to its contents. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 31 |
excellent post buddy....u said that u respected Dr. Murray's opinion..as do i...i believe he really reaaaally knows his shit....i could be wrong but i believe that he said it himself in one of his articles a while back...as well as many other researchers and studies coming up with the same conclusion...that l-glutathione taken in supplemental form isnt absorbed very well at all and doesnt really do shit for increasing glutathione levels....better off upping the vit. c and what not for that purpose........one more thing on the live and dr murray..i just got done reading an excellent report on artichoke extract that everyone could really benefit from....everything from fatty liver...to protection to detox....great stuff....and again..great post bro! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 468 |
Well, in regards to Liverite, i did take it during my last cycle, and i dont know how well it worked. I was taking dbol, up to 50mg per day, and i did not have significant pain or anything. My kidneys were the only thing hurting me at all. I already have on the way Silymarin, EPO, & alpha lipoic acid. I am going to be purchasing some of the calcium d Glucarate & L-Glutathione. Lets see how well it works. I get my physical on Thursday, along with blood, and liver work done too. Ill see what my enzymes are now, and after my cycle. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 468 |
Guys, I found Calcium d glutcarate on this website. From what you have said, FakingIt, that there are only a select few companies that truly make this product, i was wondering if this one was legit or not. Click on this and let me know what you guys think. Also, i wonder what the proper dosage would be, for someone wanting to promote liver disfunction? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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Bump it up this is a great post ------------------ |
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posted December 31, 2000 07:33 AM
