Some people claim they have made good gains whilst others claim they piss all the gains off. Some studies have not noted or have failed to notice any difference in water retention. Most people who have used it knows it does hold water even with the aids of proviron, nolva, t3 etc. It does however produce strength gains which in turn elp quality lean mass gains and also known for its great pump causing effects due to more oxygen via more red blood cells.

If you do wish to get the most out of it you should be stacking it with some other steroid such as test, deca, eq, etc.

If you are after slightly more permanent gains then go with dbol. But bot the above mentioned drugs are better when stacked.