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sbaset

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posted December 29, 2000 02:55 AM

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I am running 500mg sust/week. What would happen if I substituted the sust for straight enanthate at 500mg/week Would I see any decrease in effectiveness by switching mid stream like this. These Sust shots are killing me. With Primoteston (enanthate), I have no pain....err...anyone

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GAAV KOSH

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posted December 29, 2000 03:16 AM

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if you're gonna switch, I'd say start the enanthate shots at the sametime you end your sustanon shots.


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gonnabehuge

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posted December 29, 2000 03:30 AM

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What week are you in? There should be little noticeable difference. You will be missing out on the fast acting propinate which is most likely the source of your pain. Where are you shooting? I had relatively painless sust injections using the glutes alternating sides. Any chance you can get someone to do your injections for you? This might cut down on pin movement which also might be part of your problem. Also what are you stacking with the test? Are you mixing drugs in the same dart???
Mike

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sbaset

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posted December 29, 2000 04:18 AM

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Originally posted by gonnabehuge:
What week are you in? There should be little noticeable difference. You will be missing out on the fast acting propinate which is most likely the source of your pain. Where are you shooting? I had relatively painless sust injections using the glutes alternating sides. Any chance you can get someone to do your injections for you? This might cut down on pin movement which also might be part of your problem. Also what are you stacking with the test? Are you mixing drugs in the same dart???
Mike


Mike, I just started...I'm at Day 3. I was planning on stacking the sust with DBOL begining with week 2. I am not mixing drugs in the syringe...just straight sust...1cc/twice a week. There is nobody else that can administer my shots. Having said that, even if I do switch, it will be at least two weeks till I can aquire some Enanthate. Sounds like you're saying there shouldnt be too much different as far as results are concerned. I am right?


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gonnabehuge

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posted December 29, 2000 08:53 AM

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bro this sorta falls under the category of the test is test theory. I honestly don't think there will be any appreciable difference in your overall gains. One change I'd make if I were you is to start your D-bol right away. It i sbest used for the first 4-5 weeks of a cycle to kick things off. This will give you some strength gains to keep you amused while you wait for the test to accumulate on the receptors(kick in)
feel free to e-mail if I can help.
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The Shadow

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posted December 29, 2000 09:03 AM

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You might see a slight reduction of strength just as you switch over to the Ena. due to the loss of the Prop. No worries though.


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Beezers

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posted December 29, 2000 10:51 AM

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That would not be a problem at all. It is still testosterone. Primoteston is fantastic and I personaly like it far more the sust.

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gearseeker

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posted December 29, 2000 11:08 AM

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I prefer enanthate to sust. Just split up your dosage so you can take a shot every 2-3 days. This solves any taper problem and keeps an even amount in your blood. I like to inject ed or eod.


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sbaset

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posted December 29, 2000 01:17 PM

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Great...thanks for the help. Anyone wanna take 12 sust redijects off my hands...j/k


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JuiceDude

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posted December 30, 2000 01:31 AM

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I finished off my Sust. cycle with some enanthate from Tornel. On my last week of Sust. i did 2 cc's of it on mon. then 1 cc of T on thursday. And finished off the rest of my cycle doing 2 cc's on mon. and 1 cc. on thursday of the T. My strenght kept shooting up, but my weight staid pretty much the same as it was before i started the T. I put on 17 lbs. from Sust. alone in 6 weeks. I added a few more pounds from the T, but not much. I was very pleased with results and strenght gains. OH yeah, i almost got 10 and a half cc's out of the T bottle from tornel. i was impressed. Brovel always gipped my ass

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back2basics

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posted December 30, 2000 06:22 AM

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Beezers & gearseeker, you say you like enanthate more that sust. What are your arguments (better results??). Thanks.

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giantset

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posted December 30, 2000 12:42 PM

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Stay with the sust until you get the primotestin and then just start using it just like the sust. I just switched from sust to cypionate after using the sust for about 2-3 months and I actually feel better on the cypionate. I think I may be allergic to the propionate since I constantly get the sust flu. My test levels feel steadier with the cyp instead of the 2 day pump from sust and then feeling worse until I hit it again. Good luck. If nothing else your ass won't hurt as bad.

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airtyme

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posted December 30, 2000 12:52 PM

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I agree with breezers. I like primoteston better than sust. I get the same pump, strength increase etc. Also, the enanthate esters allows the test to be out of you system in 10 days. The sust takes up to a month. Translation, your "off-cycle" period starts sooner so you get get back "on-cycle" quicker!

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Cornellius

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posted December 30, 2000 01:59 PM

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Bro, listen to what gearseeker said. He is correct.

This is a post made by BIG RICK ROCK:


I think that with enahane the ester will release at the time specified,

BUT it will spike rapidly with most of the gear (probably up to 50%) being release at a 60hr to 72hr period, while with some of the other esters it is more uniform, with a smoother "release/time line" it is because of this low...SPIKE!...low that the body kicks back with more Test being aromatized.


I had a friend of mines try to cycle the T200 with an injection every 3 days instead of the usual weekly (every 7) he is using Tornel Testosterona, he hasn't experiance any bad side effects eventhough he is prone to Gyno (had it when he was 13-16yrl)

I guess by injecting the T200 every 3 days he avoided the low...Spike...low.
he has been on for 6 weeks at 800mg of T200
and 400mg of DECA (basic newbie stack)
he is doing real well still no signs of Gyno (taking Cloimd every other day started it on week 3).

It is just a theory (more like a guess) but I guess we won't know for sure.


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