Your thoughts on this statement??

[Jack steel]

OOPS! LOL sorry forgot to add the quote to the thread ...

"Ideally i recommend 70-75% of your daily diet coming from whole foods who will provide your body with the right micronutrients & fiber intake. With the remaining fill it out with whatever foods one desire, as long as he respects the macro breakdown i gave him/her. Choice of foods is largely irrelevant as well, the human body does not recognize things like that! The small intestine has no means in recognizing the difference between a so called “clean” and “dirty” food, ultimately it boils down to the differences in the nutrient breakdown of these same foods." - shreddednation.com



Agree or disagree? Why?

 

[roguemonkeyjr]

Disagree! Ok 1 gram of carbs if 1 gram of carbs right... but 1 gram of carbs that comes from a good source of low GI carb like oatmeal is a hell of a lot different than 1 gram of carb that comes from lets say a pizza (assuming the pizza crust is made from white processed flour) Sure your small intestine can't make the difference between those grams of carbs... but the way it acts in your body is a whole other story =) I could go about talking about the bio-availability of differenct protein source and the difference between fat sources.. but I'll stop here cuz I have to go to work =)

 

[Jack steel]

well, yes, i agree, but my undestanding of the behaviors of different fats, proteins, and carbs, is that they are all just the thing put together in different ways... or extended release foods if i may. For example, all carbs are just sugar once finally broken down all the way, but a whole grain for instance is just a bunch of sugars put together and therefore takes longer to break down. The way i look at it is, that basically you can eat as much mcdonalds as you want as long as you're watching your macro ratios and no exceeding your calorie limit. Its not that there aren't smarter foods to eat to reach your goals, but there just isn't really any "BAD" foods... if you dont count preservatives or added beef hormones, mcdonalds can work just as well as an average "healthy" grocery list. That's just my take on it, and i've been telling people this for a while, but just found this on a site the other day. I thought it would be a good discussion topic.

 

[Lighter Fighter]

i've heard that topic before, its called IIFYM (if it fits your macros) and i think its right and wrong.. Lets say we forget about the sodium, preservative, hormones that comes from junk food and focus on macros.. The only difference i see is insulin spike with junk food, yes its true every carb you eat turns to sugar inside the body but a 50g of dextrose or maltodextrin will spike insulin through the fuking roof, and it can casue fat storage even though calories are the same, dairy is another one that can smooth out your appearance.. 200 calories from skim milk will bloat the fuk outta me and makes me smooth, but a 100 cal from tuna and 100 from broccoili will not expand my stomach as much and will not make me smooth so calories are not calories in term of appearance..
I follow the clean food eating myself because junk food just makes me tired and bloated from all the sodium and nasty preservative..
Another thing is clean foods like broccoili and chicken breast will make you satisfied with fewer calories so you can burn fat and preserve muscle mass, 1 cup of ice cream has 290 useless calories that makes you tired, and it make you hungry very fast so you eat more food, but 290 calories from tuna and brocolli will make me satisfied for up to 3 hours and i wont be feeling like shit..

So if you can handle the shit feeling from junk food, can control calories since they're extremely caloric dense, like to be bloated, and dont care about your health you can eat them and get the same results, but i cant so its personal preference.

 

[chewyxrage]

Ridiculous statement. So basically it is saying that 30g of oats = drinking a Coke. Yeah right. Try that and see how much muscle you build

 

[Jack steel]

Once broken down they are both just sugar. And oatmeal is fast digesting. So why is that ridiculous? I'm not arguing but I want someone to give me a real explanation as to why that would be false.

 

[Jack steel]

i've heard that topic before, its called IIFYM (if it fits your macros) and i think its right and wrong.. Lets say we forget about the sodium, preservative, hormones that comes from junk food and focus on macros.. The only difference i see is insulin spike with junk food, yes its true every carb you eat turns to sugar inside the body but a 50g of dextrose or maltodextrin will spike insulin through the fuking roof, and it can casue fat storage even though calories are the same, dairy is another one that can smooth out your appearance.. 200 calories from skim milk will bloat the fuk outta me and makes me smooth, but a 100 cal from tuna and 100 from broccoili will not expand my stomach as much and will not make me smooth so calories are not calories in term of appearance..
I follow the clean food eating myself because junk food just makes me tired and bloated from all the sodium and nasty preservative..
Another thing is clean foods like broccoili and chicken breast will make you satisfied with fewer calories so you can burn fat and preserve muscle mass, 1 cup of ice cream has 290 useless calories that makes you tired, and it make you hungry very fast so you eat more food, but 290 calories from tuna and brocolli will make me satisfied for up to 3 hours and i wont be feeling like shit..

So if you can handle the shit feeling from junk food, can control calories since they're extremely caloric dense, like to be bloated, and dont care about your health you can eat them and get the same results, but i cant so its personal preference.

Sounds pretty agreeable. Only thing is that insulin shuttles nutrients to the muscles and away from fat storage. I also drink well over 400 calories a day from whole milk and don't bloat, but like you said each person is different. Also for a bulking cycle a nice appetite after a bowl of ice cream sounds fucking awesome to me. Honestly I think when people's bodies react so dramatically to "bad" foods like sugar is because of a deficiency in that person's body and not with the food itself. I've written about this quite a bit an I honestly think our modern way of thinking about nutrition is 60% BS.

 

[Jack steel]

For example... Have you ever seen a lion on animal planet trimming the saturated fat from his gazelle steak? :/ Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's okay for anyone to eat mass quantities of saturated fat. Everything in moderation, and everything according to your macro plan. I also would say that i agree with lighterfighter about eating a big bowl of ice cream is actually not good... or any other pure sugar type food by itself... although if you made it part of a meal and had a balanced portion of protein as well as some whole grains and fats, i don't believe it would be any harm.

 

[Jack steel]

Ridiculous statement. So basically it is saying that 30g of oats = drinking a Coke. Yeah right. Try that and see how much muscle you build

i don't drink sodas much myself because they have a bad effect on my complexion, but you don't make muscle out of oatmeal either. The oatmeal serves only to replenish energy stores, and a coke after a workout would replenish glycogen just as well as any other fast digesting carb. The important part is that you make sure to eat or drink protein and all your other necessities as well after the workout.

 

[chewyxrage]

Once broken down they are both just sugar. And oatmeal is fast digesting. So why is that ridiculous? I'm not arguing but I want someone to give me a real explanation as to why that would be false.

The GI dude. Oats are not that fast digesting compared to straight sugar. Talk to some people with blood sugar probs or diabetics, ask them the same question. I guess you're playing devil's advocate here when the answer is obvious. That statement said nothing about post workout