would it be a waste???

[DIVISION]

But what your not seeming to get.. is all oral steroids are 17aa.. and some prescription meds are as well.. because it can survive the liver and a much much higher percentage of the medication or drug will enter the blood stream... BUT.. in making these medications and drugs 17aa.. it will put a severe beating on your liver.. and yes.. even 10mg of any 17aa will more than likely affect liver values.. BUT.. here's the point me and Wootom are trying to make.. it's the 17aa of the certain drug that hurts the liver.. not really the drug itself.. so in saying that.. 50mg of dbol.. 50mg Var.. 50mg winny.. all have around the same affect on the liver.. per se.. most orals have the same affect on liver.. some being slightly harsher.. but making something 17aa is the same across the board.. so taking 25mg of dbol and 25mg of var.. yes.. two orals.. BUT.. the liver only processes 50mg of any 17aa's.. which is not THAT much in comparison to most oral cycles.. it's not the amount of orals the liver has to break down.. but how many of them are 17aa.. as bodybuilders and what not.. we take things ALL the time that the liver has to break down but no one says a THING about those.. multivitamin's.. antioxidants.. creatine.. glutamine.. CLA.. EFA's.. tylenol.. ibuprofen.. hell.. this is just a short list of the things i can think of off this list.. make those things 17aa.. and your talking just about as much liver damage as an oral steroid.. get my point now?? ha ha.. anyway.. hope everyone is clear on this and we can all stop posting about it..

-BigGeek-

Good Post...





DIV

 

[RADAR]

I've ran 20 mgs for 20 wks with no problem as long as you have proper liver protectors and lots of water there should be no problems



RADAR

 

[biggeek]

Good Post...





DIV

Ha ha.. I'm honored DIV... i'm used to seeing you bashing people's posts on here.. lol.. must have said something good to get in your good graces..

Now be a cool man and hit me up with some of that K power.. ha ha..

 

[DIVISION]

Ha ha.. I'm honored DIV... i'm used to seeing you bashing people's posts on here.. lol.. must have said something good to get in your good graces..

Now be a cool man and hit me up with some of that K power.. ha ha..

I am a Bash Brother...........

K is granted.......




DIV

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I am a Bash Brother...........

K is granted.......




DIV

Yes, he does say some nice things here and there...aside from the insane hatred from idiotic posts
DIV...what are your specs, height, weight, bfat?

 

[LVTitan]

Think of what happens when you take an oral it has to pass through your liver which breaks it down and through your kidneys. 10mgs is a small amount on the avergae for guys who have done more than 1 or 2 cycles, but even this small amount can affect your Liver Function Tests( LFT ).When you pass to much through the liver it causes a strain to its function, something you do not want to do. Some damage is ir-reversible. Now think of when you put two orals in at one time you are making the liver do double time. It is def worth passing on.

i dont believe that is true... if you are putting 60mg dbol thru your liver a day, you are putting 60mg of orals thru your liver. if you are putting 60mg of anavar thru your liver , same thing. now if you are putting 30mg/dbol and 30mg/anavar, you are still putting 60mg/day of orals thru your liver....no difference from what i can see....

 

[Mr. Burns]

I thought this as well^^^^ Each pill with have the toxic effect on the liver. What really is the difference of taking two orals at 15mgs a day versus 30mg's of one oral. Does the liver tell a difference between the pills or just the amounts? I believe that the amounts are the obvious culprit.

 

[biggeek]

I thought this as well^^^^ Each pill with have the toxic effect on the liver. What really is the difference of taking two orals at 15mgs a day versus 30mg's of one oral. Does the liver tell a difference between the pills or just the amounts? I believe that the amounts are the obvious culprit.

Read up a few posts.. I covered this topic in as much detail as I could without getting too medical and losing some people here.. but yes.. you are right in what your saying.. 1+1=2.. 15mg+15mg=30mg.. doesn't matter the substance.. or atleast it does not matter nearly as much.. there are OTC things that are more liver toxic than the oral steroids themselves.. but since the oral steroids are 17aa.. it makes them tops on the list of liver toxic drugs.. take off the 17aa.. and you've probably got the same amount of liver damage from it as taking a tylenol.. now that's speculation.. but you get my point..

 

[roidpuple]

so why do you think suck a dose it harmful to the liver?? is it the hepatotoxicity? are steroids different than say Acetaminophen (tylenol) ??
anavar doens not converty to estogen ... or so says (William Liewellyn)
so what is the big deal ... there is just a big fear of liver problem?

 

[biggeek]

so why do you think suck a dose it harmful to the liver?? is it the hepatotoxicity? are steroids different than say Acetaminophen (tylenol) ??
anavar doens not converty to estogen ... or so says (William Liewellyn)
so what is the big deal ... there is just a big fear of liver problem?

Well.. IMO.. anavar is a wonder drug.. many of the people here that will bash it either had bad stuff.. or their training and diet were off.. other than the possiblity of liver damage if your not smart and careful.. there are next to nil side effects associated with anavar and the gains made from it albeit slow are most of the time kept without continous cycles.. unlike using high doses of test.. anavar has been a wonder drug for me because not only have I slowly gotten stronger.. I have lost body fat.. gained LBM.. no gyno.. no acne.. (aside from my usual facial problems).. and my sex drive is perfectly fine.. now that i've given my praises to var.. such a dose of any oral steroid.. or any oral medication that is 17aa is what poses the problem to the liver.. some substances by themselves are slightly liver toxic if taken in high doses and long periods of time.. even tylenol if taken in high doses for long periods of time can pose problems to the liver even though it is not 17aa.. everybody's body is totally different.. some people can handle high doses of 17aa oral steroids whereas some can have permanent liver damage from going that high.. there is no telling.. just better to play it safe than sorry.. so yes.. the only real concern I see with var.. is the liver toxicity and future liver problems.. but with the right supps.. smart dosing.. and just being knowledable about what to look for when your actually having liver problems and having blood work done.. anavar is a near flawless steroid.. now.. everyone that disagress flame on.. and everyone that agrees send some K my way..