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women on a CKD - plZ help me sort this out!

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On another board this guy stated this to me:

"OK, rez, listen. The 30g dextrose post w/o does not count toward your daily total due to the rate in which it is absorbed. The rest of the day, carbs should be kept under 20g."

Is this correct?

Ive been eating NO carbs at all, post or preworkout on my CKD. Which is correct?
 
I'm low carb (very low carb), but not CKD, and I do the same thing you do. I don't have carbs either pre or post workout, but I do use a fast absorbing protein powder (whey isolate). I've asked a few people (very well educated in nutrition) who use this type of diet as well if they ingested carbs post workout, and came up with negatives across the board. They ingest a fast absorbing protein, but no carbs.

Body Opus (one of the better known CKDs, albeit an older version) doesn't allow carb intake on workout days either. Monday and Tuesday are the two workout days on Body Opus (excepting the glycogen depletion workout on Friday), and Monday you're allowed NO carbohydrates and Tuesday you're allowed 50 kcals (~12 grams) of carbohydrates. Wed and Thur you're allowed 100 kcals of carb (~24 grams) and Friday pre-workout you're allowed 100-200 kcals of carb.

Keep in mind Body Opus is a VERY structured CKD, but based on the above, I'd have to believe traditional CKDs don't allow for carbohydrate intake > 30 grams of carb/day, including post workout carbs.
 
And one more post - picked up from www.metabolicdiet.com:


Post Workout Nutrition
10/15/2002 - There’s been a lot of debate on what’s the best nutrition strategy for that critical post workout phase. We know that the body is primed to make the best use of nutrients in the two hours or so after training, but we’re still trying to figure out what works best.

There’s been a lot of debate on what’s the best nutrition strategy for that critical post workout phase. We know that the body is primed to make the best use of nutrients in the two hours or so after training, but we’re still trying to figure out what works best. Most studies suggest that a combination of protein and amino acids taken within a few hours of training stimulates protein synthesis, increases muscle glycogen levels and helps recovery.

Without some nutrient intake, net muscle protein balance is negative in the hours immediately after exercise. That means that muscle is still being broken down even after your workouts. It’s been shown that taking in some protein after training leads to a positive net muscle protein balance and a subsequent increase in muscle mass. But that’s not the whole story since the type of protein is also important.

A recent study has shown that only small amounts of the essential amino acids (EAA), as little as 6 grams, stimulates protein synthesis and that adding either more protein or amino acids, or even carbs, doesn’t do any more.

The study also shows:

That using carbs alone does almost nothing for protein synthesis.
Adding carbs to the 6 grams of EAA doesn’t increase protein synthesis or net protein balance.
And an insufficient amounts of EAA, under 6 grams, stimulates protein synthesis but is dose related with what seems like a maximum effects at the 6 gram level.
Although the results of the present study show that ingestion of 6 g of EAA alone without addition of carbohydrate effectively stimulated muscle protein synthesis after resistance exercise, there is still some controversy as to the importance of carbs and other amino acids and protein in post exercise nutrition, as well as to the timing of nutritional intake.

In my view, the best approach is to consume an EAA mixture immediately after exercise, perhaps with the addition of ingredients that facilitate growth hormone and insulin release and a few select conditionally essential and non-essential individual amino acids, and then within an hour or so of taking this mixture consume a meal or a protein/carb shake.

It’s also important to keep dietary protein intake high for a few days after training since studies have shown that protein synthesis is elevated for 48 hours after resistance exercise.


References

Borsheim E, Tipton KD, Wolf SE, Wolfe RR. Essential amino acids and muscle protein recovery from resistance exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2002 Oct;283(4):E648-57.
Phillips, SM, Tipton KD, Aarsland A, Wolf SE, and Wolfe RR. Mixed muscle protein synthesis and breakdown after resistance exercise in humans. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 1997; 273: E99-E107.
 
JJFigure said:
I'm low carb (very low carb), but not CKD, and I do the same thing you do. I don't have carbs either pre or post workout, but I do use a fast absorbing protein powder (whey isolate). I've asked a few people (very well educated in nutrition) who use this type of diet as well if they ingested carbs post workout, and came up with negatives across the board. They ingest a fast absorbing protein, but no carbs.

Great to hear from a female doing low-low carb..it seems most men dont really understand what they are doing.
Ive read alot about Body Opus, but Im not as strict as that - but still follow ckd w carb-up.

Do you have a carb-up? What does your diet generally look like?

Thanks for the posts:)
 
Hey Rez! Yep - there are a couple of us around. :-) I'm in a cutting cycle, and I'm using the Anabolic diet. Mon - Fri my kcals average 1500/day and my ratios are roughly 50% fat, 48% pro, 2 % carb. I've been playing with my carb load - last time I used this diet, I carb loaded on Sat and Sun - kcals on Sat were 2000 and kcals on Sun were 1700; ratios were 65% carb, 25% fat, 10% pro, with the majority of my carb intake usually oatmeal and cow (heavier on the oatmeal - I try to stick to low GI - and as soon as I finish this box of cow, I'm switching it out for brown rice). I'd get roughly 600-700 grams of carb on the weekend. This cutting cycle I've dropped to 400 grams of carb over the weekend; 100 g on my lift day and 300 g on my non-lift day. My lift day ends up roughly 30% fat, 30% carb, 40% pro; non-lift day is 65% carb, 25% fat, 10% pro. My blood pressure has been running abnormally low though, so I'm planning on going back to a full carb load this weekend to see if it will help. That's really the only change I've made to my diet cycle, and I wasn't having these blood pressure issues during my last diet. I also was short in kcals last weekend, thanks to a male friend distracting me most of Sunday. That may have contributed. :-)

Regardless, this approach works well for me - I've averaged a loss of 1.5 lbs. each week, and my thighs (my problem area) have dropped 1/4 inch each week. I'm only doing 2 days of HIIT type cardio a week, and I'm lifting 4 days, alternating between strength and hypertrophy workouts.
 
Rez, it might be worth your while reading up (or asking JJ) more on the Anabolic Diet. It is not a ketogenic diet, but it IS cyclical low carb. I personally feel it is a better low carb diet for women as it keeps insulin sensitivity very high compared to ketogenic diets which impair your ability to benefit maximally from the carb-ups. Women definitely have more of a problem with insulin sensitivity even at the best of times, and a high fat/low carb diet just exacerbates this IMHO....leading to rebound fat gain, fluid retention and carb cravings.
 
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