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Shredology

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Hey guys I'm looking around to determine what would be the best cycle option for me. It'll be my first cycle, and i'm hoping it will be the only. My goal is building lean mass, and maintain it as much as possible.

Today I was reading some guide on a different forum and i've read about the strong steroid rating system, which is a chart rating the most popular steroids on many aspects on a scale of 1-10.

When I went to see test E's ability to keep gains I noticed it was only ranked as a 4, while winstrol and anavar were 10 and 9 respectively. It's surprising me because ever since i've been reading on AAS, i've been told oral only cycles were pretty much **** and pointless because you lose all the gains in a matter of days after you're off. Is this true?

From what I read winstrol basically shuts down your test completely, and it is less anabolic then the average natural test production so it ends up having negative effects if your goal is to build muscles. Is this true, and would it be worth it to stack it with test on a first cycle?

From the beginning I was looking at the average joe recommended's first cycle, 500mg test E/week for 12 weeks with a nolva PCT, but now I'm having doubts because of this chart.

Can anyone lighten me up?

Cheers ;)
 
First we need full stats
age
height
weight
BF%
Years training

Second, nobody ever runs just one cycle and "thats all".
 
-SD- said:
First we need full stats
age
height
weight
BF%
Years training

Second, nobody ever runs just one cycle and "thats all".
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21, 6'0, 150 lbs @ 8%. Been training for 2 years, a year with a good diet. That's what everyone tells me, but we'll see the results I guess. I don't plan on ever stopping BB'ing but once I reach my goal and maintain it i'll then decide if I want to stop or not
 
Shredology said:
21, 6'0, 150 lbs @ 8%. Been training for 2 years, a year with a good diet. That's what everyone tells me, but we'll see the results I guess. I don't plan on ever stopping BB'ing but once I reach my goal and maintain it i'll then decide if I want to stop or not
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6'0" at 150lbs? You have a long way to go before you should ever consider AAS. Plus, you're just a kid, your natural hormones are insane right now.
 
Pound4PoundAAS said:
6'0" at 150lbs? You have a long way to go before you should ever consider AAS. Plus, you're just a kid, your natural hormones are insane right now.
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I used to be 180 a year ago, i've lost +- 30 pounds because of a Crohn's disease relapse. I've been in remission for the past few weeks and I'm looking to get back in the game as soon as possible..
 
Shredology said:
I used to be 180 a year ago, i've lost +- 30 pounds because of a Crohn's disease relapse. I've been in remission for the past few weeks and I'm looking to get back in the game as soon as possible..
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I'm sorry to hear that but you never know what an oral will do to your organs. It could cause another flare up
 
I think you need to get all that weight you lost back naturaly, then wait another year or 4 or 6 before thinking about juicing.
 
I'm aware taking orals is certainly dangerous for me, but by making this post I was hoping to expand my knowledge on the subject more than anything, and doesn't winstrol also come in an injectable form or is it not the same?
 
Winstrol isn't generally recommended for a first cycle, but i will say that winstrol not being as anabolic as others is wrong. From what i've seen and read, it's the second most anabolic under tren. People just tend to use it for cutting because there's no water retention distorting their progress. Losing gains from something just because it's taken orally doesnt make any logical sense. That's a myth.
 
Jack steel said:
Winstrol isn't generally recommended for a first cycle, but i will say that winstrol not being as anabolic as others is wrong. From what i've seen and read, it's the second most anabolic under tren. People just tend to use it for cutting because there's no water retention distorting their progress. Losing gains from something just because it's taken orally doesnt make any logical sense. That's a myth.
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I read somewhere that it shut down testosterone production, but if false it can be used as a single cycle? Also, why is it quoted better then test E/C/S in the chart as to maintain gains after cycle?
 
what a fucking mess.

how do you robs keep dealing with these noobs day in day out?
 
Firstly your too light at your height to cycle . And your young, plus a strong oral like winny and chrons is not a smart combination. Test is your best bet if you ever do decide to not take our advice , which you should take. Buy some creatine and beta alanine and eat more food.

Also whoever said you can't bulk on winny is mistaken, sure it's not ideal but damn the gains you make are hard and legit and strong as a bull.
 
I'm not trying to be rude. So don't take this the wrong way.

You need to seriously learn how to eat and train! That's all you need for the next 3-5 years.

The goal for most Bulking cycles is to gain 15-30lb. Even if you gained 30lb you would still be way under weight. So it would be a complete waste.

I'm 5'10 and 210. Your 60lb smaller than me and your 2 inches taller?

You only take steroids after your body has reached its maximum size or strength. You could run 3 cycles in a row and still be small and weak. See the problem here? You need to learn how to EAT AND TRAIN! Steroids will not make up for bad diet and training. Sorry bro.

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Shredology said:
The same way they dealt with you when you didn't know shit, now if you don't have a relevant input just don't comment
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I picked up a book so people didnt have to deal with that. So youre 21, or 19 or whatever and about 50 lbs and 5 years from where you should be before hitting the sauce. And you have a serious medical condition that is exacerbated with steroid use.

what other input is really needed here besides stop, drop, and roll
 
Yea neither did I. So on top of your wright and training problems, your also full of testosterone already.....

I'm not insulting you bro, seriously. I would love to help you and give you advise on diet and training so you can get the size or strength you want. But honestly, steroids are the last thing you need to worry about bro.

Start a thread on how to bulk up and me and tons of other members will be right there to explain on the ways to bulk up! You will be very happy with how good it will work. Trust me!

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ppgfreak said:
Yea neither did I. So on top of your wright and training problems, your also full of testosterone already.....

I'm not insulting you bro, seriously. I would love to help you and give you advise on diet and training so you can get the size or strength you want. But honestly, steroids are the last thing you need to worry about bro.

Start a thread on how to bulk up and me and tons of other members will be right there to explain on the ways to bulk up! You will be very happy with how good it will work. Trust me!

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I'm not mad at anyone brah no worries. What makes me rage is get on the scale and realise I trained so hard, just to loose everything I gained for some stupid sh*t I can't control. Just thinking of starting everything again just to look like I should be makes me rage..My training and diet are both very strict already, but natty gains are slow, and my motivation is not at its best since i'm on remission
 
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